Synthetic oil

BillP

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Re: Synthetic oil

Originally posted by myoutboards:<br /> no, they mix just fine.<br /><br />but, you'd get better results if you used all the old oil, decarbed your motor a good 1 or 2 times, and THEN added the synthetic.<br /><br />i did this one my 1976 merc1150 inline 6 and it was a day and night difference. since then, i swear by synthetics.<br /><br />personally, i use penzoil 100% synthetic.
The decarb probably made the "day and night" difference and the synthetic oil just smoked less. That's not saying not to use synthetic but just changing oil isn't going to make it a "night and day" change.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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My motor is in pretty good shape, maintenance is not the issue in my case, i would however like to enjoy less smoke.<br />When using synthetic oil does one still have to decarb as much as they would do when using dino TC-W3 oil?
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by Vlad the Impeller:<br />When using synthetic oil does one still have to decarb as much as they would do when using dino TC-W3 oil?
Absolutly "NOT", (as long as your engine is tuned properly), I dont even do it anymore, and spark plugs last like forever! This is the best part of using a synthetic.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by BillP:<br />The decarb probably made the "day and night" difference and the synthetic oil just smoked less. That's not saying not to use synthetic but just changing oil isn't going to make it a "night and day" change. [/QB]
There is some truth to this, However, with the larger V6s, I continually see a 1-200 RPM difference when the change is made, I have seen it many times that if you change the lower unit over at the same time you may see 2-300 RPM @ WOT.<br /><br />Now I have never done this test with anything but Amsoil products, so I cant say for sure that you would find the same results with other products, but I see no reason that you wouldnt.<br /><br />Now Im talking after the decarb, you run regular oil for awhile and get you base #s from there first, then make all the changes.
 

dajohnson53

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Originally posted by Vlad the Impeller:<br /> My motor is in pretty good shape, maintenance is not the issue in my case, i would however like to enjoy less smoke....
I'll have to say I tried a gallon of Pennzoil pure synthetic last year and really didn't notice a difference in smoke. I have two built in tanks, premis, and ran with the synthetic for a few tanks until the oil was gone. I ran the other tank with OEM (I believe it was Quicksilver) during that time. I really didn't notice any difference in smoke or performance.<br /><br />This summer, I have a partial case of Castrol TCW3 quarts that I bought on sale and a case of Pennzoil dino oil that a friend gave me (bought it by accident, meaning to buy car oil). I plan to buy another gallon of the Penn synthetic and compare to these non OEM oils. But my experience so far is that I haven't seen any noticable difference between Johhnyrude bulk (which I usually run), Quicksilver bulk and the tank or so of Castrol that I ran through it late last year. I'd REALLY like it if the synthetic smokes less and would almost feel it's worth twice the price if it did. But so far, hasn't happened.
 

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Originally posted by BillP:<br /> LD,<br />Have you ever heard of synthetic leaving more deposits than dino oil?
I have seen this site before and have quoted parts of it, its got some merrit. However, we have no Idea what synthetic we are dealing with here, is it a group III or a group IV Basestock? I get the impresion that Pennzoil has something to do with this testing. You suppose that if it would have stated Pennzoil synthetic that the results would have been the same?<br /><br />No, I have never seen synthetic cause more carboning that regular oil, Never. Also, I dont care how much you try and make four different engines the same, they never are. This test is just too far the other way to be viable in my opinion.
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />
Originally posted by BillP:<br /> LD,<br />Have you ever heard of synthetic leaving more deposits than dino oil?
I have seen this site before and have quoted parts of it, its got some merrit. However, we have no Idea what synthetic we are dealing with here, is it a group III or a group IV Basestock? I get the impresion that Pennzoil has something to do with this testing. You suppose that if it would have stated Pennzoil synthetic that the results would have been the same?<br /><br />No, I have never seen synthetic cause more carboning that regular oil, Never. Also, I dont care how much you try and make four different engines the same, they never are. This test is just too far the other way to be viable in my opinion.
I thought the test was interesting and their findings are what ultralight engine mechanics thoughout the country say for non-synthetics. It's the first I've seen where more deposits were from synthetic. It kinda of goes against all other reports of the clean burn from synthetics. <br /><br />Pennsoil sponsored the tests so a bit of salt has to be figured. However, I've flown into Lockwood's facility where the test was done. It is one of the most professional and well equipped anywhere and they are known as one of the most authoritive folks on earth for ultralights. Anything Phil Lockwood says can be taken to the bank as fact so I give high credibility to the test. Maybe I can find out which synthetic they used. It did point out that ratios were heavy and that added to the problem. They mentioned "gold" colored. The only gold synthetic I've been around is Golden Spectro...and run it in my chain saw and weed whacker. That and Bel-Ray.
 

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I have no doubt that they really tryied to have a fair test, afterall, who wants your engine to crud up in an ultralight? Not like a boat that just comes to a stop. I have heard of some synthetics not liking to run real rich oil ratios though, but normally they just load up with unburned oil. Guess over time that might show up as deposits of some kind.<br /><br />Maybe TOD can shed some light on this.
 

dajohnson53

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Sounds like this study was with air cooled rather than water cooled 2 stroke engines? Just thinking out loud - I can't imagine that Pennzoil would have a bias against synthetics, at least as far as TCW3 oils. Pennzoil is the only synthetic TCW3 oil that a lot (most) of us ever come in contact with. Because Wally world sells Pennzoil synthetic, and I hear they're a major retailer here in the US :) . Therefore, my guess is that in the water cooled arena, Pennzoil would not have a bias against synthetic.<br /><br />But that's water cooled oil and I have no idea if Pennzoil offers a synthetic designed for air cooled 2 strokes. Hmmm.
 
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