synthetic oil ?

scotty c

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I'm thinking of using synthetic oil in my<br />1999 Honda Bf50.<br />is there any great advantage in doing so ?<br />it only takes 2 ltrs of oil, so the price is not really the issue.<br />can you run longer between the recommended change<br />which is 6 months or 100 hours ?
 

PAkev

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Not sure about Honda's position but my Yamaha manual indicates their motors have not been tested with synthetic oils and therefore do not recommend using it. I am a believer in synthetic motor oil and have been using it in my vehicles for a few years with good results. I think it would be even more practical to use in outboard motors operating at higher RPM's due to the higher flash point than conventional oils. I was talking with some folks from AMSOIL a few weeks back about using their synthetic in my F150 and they indicated their oil meets and exceeds API standards. The average boater will probably see little performance difference by changing his conventional oil once each season. However, using synthetics will keep the heat down to improve the overall life of the engine. I plan on switching to synthetic my next oil change.
 

ziemann

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Good lord, here we go again....see that big search button up there? Read to your heart's content....
 

moderator1

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I'd opt for what the manual recommends myself...then again, that's just me...
 

umblecumbuz

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from PAkev:However, using synthetics will keep the heat down to improve the overall life of the engine.
Synthetic in the lower unit won't affect engine heat worth a dime. <br /><br />Lower units run cooler than car gearboxes, they are much simpler, and they take a lot less strain than a car gearbox does. With an oil change once a season - which I guess is what most of us do - whwether we go for synthetics or conventional oils ain't gonna make a heap of difference to the life of the outboard.<br /><br />Just MHO.
 

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:eek: :eek: "OIL THREAD ALERT, OIL THREAD ALERT"!! :eek: :eek: <br /><br />I WAS JUST GOING TO BED WHEN THE ALARM WENT OFF! :p <br /><br /> Even though Im a firm believer in synthetic oils in automobiles and about everything else that moves, I would not extend the oil change interval on an outboard engine with synthetics due to the fuel delution issue. If you find the correct wieght in any of the synthetics, you can use it with confindence. It will extend the life of the engine some. Your great great great grandkids will enjoy it, where with conventional oil only your great great grandkids will get the pleasure. :D :D :D <br /><br />As far as lower unit oil, I have allways seen a slight performance increase in the larger outboards with a synthetic gear lube. I think it is mostly due to the oil being thinner, even though it carries the right wieght caracteristics.
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> :eek: :eek: "OIL THREAD ALERT, OIL THREAD ALERT"!! :eek: :eek: <br /><br />I WAS JUST GOING TO BED WHEN THE ALARM WENT OFF! :p <br /><br />
ROTFLMAF !!! :D
 

PAkev

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Did I miss something from the context of the orig. post about oil for the lower unit?<br /><br />Everything in the post led me to believe we were talking about a 4 stroke motor that uses oil to lubricate moving parts of the ENGINE. <br /><br />Although synthetics will maintain their lubricating integrity much longer, I am in agreement with lubedube about not trying to get more milage between oil changes. 10 miles up and down a lake at 6000 RPM's is about the equivelant of putting the pedal to the floor in your car and driving at a constant speed of 120 MPH.<br /><br />Trailer Boats Magazine did a story on Synthetics vs. Conventional oils about 2 or 3 months ago and gave some compelling evidence of using synthetics for marine applications.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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Originally posted by PAkev:<br /> Did I miss something from the context of the orig. post about oil for the lower unit?<br /><br />
No you did not.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by PAkev:<br /> Did I miss something from the context of the orig. post about oil for the lower unit?<br /><br />
Stillfishing made mention of it , Reason unknown! So I mentioned it.
 

nevd

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Many gearcases have high contact pressures which causes oil to crack and produce a burnt smell and makes the oil go black. Unless you have leaking seals, there are no products of combustion to discolour the gearcase oil. Synthetic oil will help in those situations.<br /><br />I agree with Lubedude on extending powerhead oil change intervals - problem with 4 stroke outboards (all as far as I'm aware) is that outboards only run approx 60deg C thermostats because of solubility of salt decreases in water as temp increases. Compare this with automotive and heavy equipment where 90 degC and above thermostats are used to drive off product of combustion water in the engine oil. So cars with short stop start and very low power runs can sludge the oil, but no other car engines do. 4 Stroke outboards would need to run closed circuit cooling systems like all car engines and most inboard outboards to overcome this problem.
 

umblecumbuz

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Just goes to show that if you read something while half asleep, all sorts of rumours can be spread!<br /><br />Sorry guys.
 

ARCWINSTON

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"problem with 4 stroke outboards (all as far as I'm aware) is that outboards only run approx 60deg C thermostats because of solubility of salt decreases in water as temp increases."<br />Please elaborate...W
 

umblecumbuz

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Nevd said:solubility of salt decreases in water as temp increases."
Unless I've completely lost it, I think you'll find that the opposite is true.
 

BillP

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Originally posted by Stillfishing:<br />
Nevd said:solubility of salt decreases in water as temp increases."
Unless I've completely lost it, I think you'll find that the opposite is true.
Well, err, hmmm, ah...You are losing it.
 

nevd

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Originally posted by Stillfishing:<br />
Nevd said:solubility of salt decreases in water as temp increases."
Unless I've completely lost it, I think you'll find that the opposite is true.
I agree that this statement is not correct for virtually all substances which dissolve in water. Unfortunately I am correct with salt and this is why you see salt buildups in the water passages where you have the highest cooling water temperature. The salt buildup then gives better insulation between water and aluminium and so higher aluminium temperatures continue the problem of buildup. Cold water flush as long as thermostat opens will flush some of the buildup out.<br /><br />It is to stop this salt buildup that outboard manufacturers limit the thermostat temperatures to such a low figure and the resultant low oil temperature stops (or at least reduces) water being evaporated off from the oil.<br /><br />I am happy to be corrected if somebody has some better information. I am raising the issue because I would like to see public pressure on manufacturers of 4 stroke outboards to have closed circuit cooling systems like on cars at least in the larger motors. This will allow oils to last much longer and not simply be drained out because of water content.
 

umblecumbuz

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OK - I've completely lost it. But that's just what my granpappy foretold years ago, so what's new.<br /><br />I would like to learn more on this topic, so anyone out there with knowledge - please post.
 

umblecumbuz

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The few facts I remember from schooldays are that common sea salt (sodium chloride) has a very flat solubility curve.<br /><br />It does not dissolve in appreciably larger quantities at 10 degrees C or 60 degrees C or at 100 degrees C. <br /><br />There is very little change in the solubility of sea salt in the temperature range 0 C to 100 C.<br /><br />So what am I missing? Because this indicates that a motor running in salt will not get more salt buildup if it runs at 60 C or 100 C.<br /><br />Tell me, guys.
 

yater

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Yep, solubility of salt increases with temperature but doesn't vary by more than a few grams salt/water. The solubility curve is very flat
 
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