Synthetic v. Regular Oil

[txswinner]

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Just for the record, I actually wanted some info, thanks.

 

[nightstalker]

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What about the 10% synthetics like Penzoil Blend?<br />Stalker

 

[JB]

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They are 10% better or worse, depending on your point of view, nightstalker.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by nightstalker:<br /> What about the 10% synthetics like Penzoil Blend?<br />Stalker

Not an easy subject other than to say that if you buy a "BLEND", you are pretty much assured that you are getting a premium oil. Now with that said:<br /><br />You really dont know what exactly you are getting. Some oils call there oil a blend when in fact all it is a Hydrocracked oil. This isnt bad though as these oils are very good base stocks. Also, you never have a clue as to what percentage of the oil is actually synthetic, if any at all. Fortunatly there are not many that claim to be a blend.

 

[Bwalker]

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FWIW many tcw3 oils are synthetic blends even if not advertised as such. Two examples out of many would be Citgo marine plus and Esso outboard.<br /> IMO I wouldnt pay extra for a syn blend over a standard oil. Of you want a better product go to a full synthetic.

 

[walleyehed]

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I've been a fan of JohnRude oils for as long as I can remember...I have used many brands of TC-W3 with good success, only 1 of those has cause an issue, and it was not engine wear, it was excess residual running down and out the mid-section after each use. I'm not mentioning the brand, because I could see no engine damage of quality of engine operation change. A couple of years ago, I started using JohnRude XD-25 (10% syn), Very clean running, no residual trail down the mid section...then I tried the JohnRude FichtRam..Really liked this..(now called XD-50)<br />and stuck with it for several hundred hours in 2 engines. I know run Amsoil HPI in my pre-mix 200 Rude...very clean, no problems, and most cost-effective to use than the XD-50 even.<br />Some have seen an RPM rise at top-end with this, I didn't...BUT, when I added the Amsoil lower unit lube, I did see an increase in top RPM.<br />This particular Lube is not TC-W3 certified, but I do think the company's thoughts on this are that it is so superior to conventional oils, the rating isn't needed in their minds.<br />The funny part of the lack of TC-W3 rating, is I know "1" of the major outboard manufacturers uses HPI in their own bottle for their top-of-the-line oil...it says TC-W3. So whether it may be public or not, Amsoil HPI has been tested for TC-W3 certification in that case, if the info I have is accurate.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by walleyehed:<br /> The funny part of the lack of TC-W3 rating, is I know "1" of the major outboard manufacturers uses HPI in their own bottle for their top-of-the-line oil...it says TC-W3. So whether it may be public or not, Amsoil HPI has been tested for TC-W3 certification in that case, if the info I have is accurate.

 

[txswinner]

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I know I am being baited but what is AMSOIL, is that a company, buy it at Wallymart or what. Oh yeah Lube who is that ugly ... guy driving the boat in your avatar. Kidding hangon.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by txswinner:<br /> I know I am being baited but what is AMSOIL, is that a company, buy it at Wallymart or what. Oh yeah Lube who is that ugly ... guy driving the boat in your avatar. Kidding hangon.

Amsoil <br /><br />Yep, thats me showing off! I actually lose some water preasure when throwing a roostertail like that so cant do it long, I checked the other day and I lose about 3 MPH doing it also. But it looks cool. My son took the picture and was suppose to get the whole tail, but you know how it is trying to get your kids to listen.

 

[Bwalker]

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"The funny part of the lack of TC-W3 rating, is I know "1" of the major outboard manufacturers uses HPI in their own bottle for their top-of-the-line oil...it says TC-W3. So whether it may be public or not, Amsoil HPI has been tested for TC-W3 certification in that case, if the info I have is accurate."<br /> Which company? I use HPI also, but untill I see proof I dont believe that for a minute.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Which company? I use HPI also, but untill I see proof I dont believe that for a minute.

ya might want to believe it, at least for a minute.<br /><br />

 

[Bwalker]

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I know who makes Yamaha's oil(Citgo). I have a friend that works for BRP in the department that develops their oils. I can ask him if Amsoil is making their oil, but I doubt it. Merc doesnt have a full synthetic oil. So which OEM oil is HPI?

 

[LubeDude]

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We would tell you, but we would have to kill you!

 

[Bwalker]

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You dont need to tell me. I have just shot of a email to my bud who happens to work for BRP out of Waukeegan, who in his own words is "responsible for the oil, spark plugs, and some of the combustion system development for all the outboard platforms as well as a few other fun side projects. "

 

[Terry H]

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This is the worst commercial ever for Amsoil, you're losing your touch there LD...Chief

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Chief 101:<br /> you're losing your touch there LD

I didnt bring this up though! <br /><br />I knew it to be a possibility, but never was sure enough to actually say it before.

 

[walleyehed]

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Here is the info I have...BRP went to several oil manufacturers when they found the fichtram (XD-50) was not sufficient lube for the E-Tec.<br />Amsoil was also asked to show them what they had.<br />BRP, no longer being OMC, is alot more open-minded, I'm told....and was presented a 100% synthetic oil to test (By Amsoil) and was chosen from 4 others tested as well. I was told brown dye was included in this package as HPI and XD-50 are the same color. This info is what I was told during some of the Final prototype testing stages from a Dealer who was included heavily in testing of the early E-Tecs due to the fact the lake he is on is about the highest elevation in the U.S. where a considerable amount of boating takes place.<br />In fact, this dealer told me "He" was told by BRP to "run" HPI from Amsoil until they got their final oil purchasing done, and NOT to run anymore XD-50 in the E-Tecs.<br />His opinion is the XD-100 IS HPI from Amsoil...I believe him.

 

[walleyehed]

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I use HPI also, but untill I see proof I dont believe that for a minute.

Ben, I use HPI as well. When this dealer, who is also a friend, told me what he thought, and what he "knew" was going on, I had to believe him because I know he uses it himself, and in all of his rental boats with E-Tecs...<br />To describe this man, to me, would be to say he is of the catagory of person such as Dhadley, seahorse, etc..the kind you know are being straight with ya. If BRP has went another route, great, because whatever it is, I'd use it if it works for them. Is it Amsoil??? I don't know that for a fact now that it's called XD-100. Will they admit it if it is??? I doubt it..it would cost them sales.

 

[Bwalker]

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I will let you know if it is. I should know in a few days.<br /> Somehitng funny about HPI. I detest Amsoil in general as I think many of their oils are medocre in quality, yet cost alot. I tesetd it with a open mind and found it by far it was the best tcw3 oil I had ever seen.<br /> It might supprise you guys to know that i can buy HPI up here at Canadian tire for the same price that Merc quicksilver(not premium plus) is sold at the dealer.

 

[Bwalker]

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I will let you know if it is. I should know in a few days.<br /> Something funny about HPI. I detest Amsoil in general as I think many of their oils are medocre in quality, yet cost alot. I testd it with a open mind and found it by far it was the best tcw3 oil I had ever seen.<br /> It might supprise you guys to know that I can buy HPI up here at Canadian tire for the same price that Merc quicksilver(not premium plus) is sold at the dealer.