Synthetic vs. Mineral - 1986 125hp

ward107

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Re: Synthetic vs. Mineral - 1986 125hp

steveclv,

I understand hype and everything but synthetics reduce the dependency of oil being pumped out of the ground so why would the oil companies build up something that could run them out of business in a way. If you would read the link above it would explain the benefits, uses, and downfalls of using synthetics vs. conventional oil. I like the less smoke and friction reduction but some people like the smell and fog of traditional oils. I like the smells at MX race tracks but that is synthetic but just a different formula so people like me still can enjoy the smell of Motul burning in a Cr 250. My work van had 100,000 miles on it with a failing rear end, and a slightly leaking head and a slipping transmission when I bought it for a good price (previous owner used conventional oil and drove it like a sports car) I changed the rear end lube and continued a synthetic regiment and it still runs at 265,000 miles without anything except brakes and tires done to it. I do believe conventionals work but synthetics are better. It seems like it is well argued here. Any car I have owned since I think 85' are still moving and I sold them to people I am sure use the standard oil in them now. For example, I use led replacements on my boat and can go for days with most of my lights on if need be without the engine on. I know a few guys that go out fishing all night with their required lights on and I am jumping them in the morning because they use conventional light bulbs for reasons,one they don't want to replace the old ones and two they think it is too expensive ,its their choice either not to carry a spare battery or to upgrade their setup, but I cant say I haven't been there two or three years ago hoping my engine would crank over cause the bow and aft lights ran my battery low. I wont argue the matter just put my opinion and go on, I guess it is choice. Some people think cd's sound great others think lp's sound great.
 

steveclv

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Re: Synthetic vs. Mineral - 1986 125hp

Well in most cases 'synthetic' is still dependent on dino oils as that's their base stock. RP that you use is a fully synthetic but the issue is that the component parts of the synthetic oil COME FROM DINO OIL - so even synthetic oils are reliant on oil out the ground!

The attributes of oil longevity (wasted on a 2 stroke) reduced friction (only measurable in a laboratory) and their ability to operate under very high temperatures (wasted on a IC engine) are of no real life benefit to 2 stroke or 4 stroke engines. They have their uses - jet engines must use them but aircraft piston engines do not.

When the oil companies started producing them for industrial and aircraft, they looked around for ways to create another variant that they could sell to a mass market - the auto industry was a huge consumer of lubricating oils and thus started the marketing campaigns to convince us that we all needed these more expensive synthetic oils. Billions of ad dollars and endorsement dollars were spent creating this monster.

It's like saying that something is 110% - 100% is what we need - 110% is a waste because we do not need nor do we benefit from that extra 10%.

Just because I don't subscribe to the synthetic oil argument does not mean that I ignore all technological advances - far from it! I too use LED lights as they offer a real benefit. I have several MP3 players and no longer own a DVD player as I have Netflix - but I have also spent many years in Sales & Marketing and I know how that works!

We all have a choice but we should not try and influence others and should let them decide for themselves.
 

ward107

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I would rather people make their own decision as well. I know that corporations market items and they have to sell them to you. I was a skeptic until i tried them and found good results. My engine was owned for 8 years by the previous owner who filled up at the marina and used the conventional oil they mixed in the gas. I have owned it since and used synthetic oil and have seen a great improvement from how it runs and uses fuel and even how it smokes. Believe me I killed thousands of bugs burning off the full gas tanks he left me when he sold the engine to me. Just like any technology the price will go down when supply can meet the demand. Flat screens were almost out of reach and now you can buy one for average cost. Most synthetics can be made out or recycled plastics and nylon which are crude based items and at least the syn automotive or gear oil takes much less energy to recycle than conventional oil because of its makeup. I have clogged my water intake a few times and had a few close calls with the buzzer sounding and was glad I used the synthetic I have a temp gauge now but it could of been a disaster without the synthetic mix. The oil burns cleaner and meets newer requirements from the epa than the current standards for pollution. I think AMSOIL has the new standard explained on their web sight, most likely a scare tactic to convince you to convert but it did make since, it read that conventional oils will not meet the new standards. There are many lakes that will not allow 2 strokes in their water because of the smoke and pollution and I think this will push people into using it because oil can only burn so clean. I cannot afford a 4 stroker right now and I am happy with my 70 2 stroker. I feel that with your points and the others here people looking for info will have a better understanding of the pros and cons of using conventional vs. synthetics. If you don't like synthetic you can always change back, which that is a myth that says once you have converted then you must continue. I don't recommend the use of synthetics on an engine at break in because the parts need to wear in and the synthetic will prevent the necessary friction to break an engine in.
 

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I don't recommend the use of synthetics on an engine at break in because the parts need to wear in and the synthetic will prevent the necessary friction to break an engine in.

That is an often quoted fallacy. Some major car manufacturers including Aston Martin, Cadillac and Mercedes Benz will their engines with synthetic oil (due to their marketing deals with the oil companies) from the factory. If that statement was true those engines would never get broken in.

It's an interesting subject that has become surrounded by myths and folklore :)
 

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It is a proven fact that synthetic oils are far better than conventional oils. There will always be folks who swear by this or that and they won't change their mind no matter what you tell them or what they read as old habits are hard for some to break. I used regular oil for years before I switched to synthetic and I would agree it makes your engine run better, fuel economy improves a bit, less smoke, longer oil change interval, etc.. It is more expensive but I will pay the price because I feel it is worth it. It also gives some a peace of mind knowing they are using high quality oils and that their motor will last longer and may run better. I want to get as much life as I can from my engines so I use synthetic oil. I have noticed an improvement in different ways so I know it is doing it's job.

But as I have said over and over throughout the years and still to this day..... MAINTENANCE is the key. You must service your engine and keep it in tune and change the oil, grease it, fog it, flush it, change the gear oil, etc... A little maintenance goes a long way. I rarely have an issue with anything I own because I am a maintenance freak. I won't be one of those guys sitting in his boat at the dock cranking the motor for 15-20 min and not starting and or smoking and cussing because he didn't take care of it... When I put my boat in the water I turn the key and it fires right away and i'm off to my fishing hole or favorite spot to hang out and soak up some rays. So to end this as I say..... Keep it serviced and do what needs to be done and you will have years of enjoyment from your boat. And if you choose to use synthetic oil it may very well reward you with it's superior film strength but if you choose to stick with conventional oil you will still be ok.... Just do the maintenance.

Nick
 

steveclv

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It is a proven fact that synthetic oils are far better than conventional oils.

Yes, I totally agree with you.

However as I said previously, you only need 100% - 110% is of no benefit :)

And yes, maintenance is the difference between a good engine and a bad experience.
 

199675hpforce

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Re: Synthetic vs. Mineral - 1986 125hp

NO NO Mobil one in 80's was non dino oil base for sure!!! I think the formula has changed and not for better. Seriously walmarts oil is smokeyyyyyyyy. If you can get Pennzoil semi syn run that instead made my plugs stay nicer.
 
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