Tax Cuts,....??...

treedancer

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Hi Bondo I would like to address a few of your statements. There have been NO Cuts to the Domestic Budget<br />Thursday, December 22, 2005<br /><br />Senate Republicans, by the narrowest margin yesterday, pushed through a major budget measure that would trim federal spending by nearly $40 billion over five years, but they were stymied by Democrats in their effort to open Alaska's wilderness to oil drilling.(well at least us tree huggers got our way) Your right there are no cuts this year they did it last December right before Christmas. <br /><br /> NO Cuts to Education<br /><br />In his fiscal budget for the federal 2006-2007 year that commences on October 1, 2006, President Bush proposes to end 42 US Department of Education programs and significantly reduce spending for four other Education programs, for total budget cuts of $4.279 billion. Per the US Department of Education website. (Your right again Bondo that one most likely will not fly coming a month before the mid-term elections. but you have to give the president cudos for trying and there is always a chance after the elections.<br /><br /> NO Cuts in the Medi-s<br /> <br />March 9, 2006 – Republican enthusiasm for cutting Medicare is waning rapidly. The Senate Budget Committee is holding a mark-up session today on their 2007 budget resolution, which ignores President Bush's proposed cuts in Medicare and other entitlement programs. It is just as hot in the House, where 60 moderate Republican members sent a letter to House Budget Committee Chair Jim Nussle saying they oppose the Bush cuts to Medicare. There is another side, however, with the conservative House Republican Study Committee proposing even more cuts that Bush recommended, according to KaiserNet.org. (Your right again Bondo,hmm wonder if this has anything to do with the up coming elections? Nah surely not . <br />U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics 12.00 auto industry including benefits about 26.00<br /><br /> The economy has turned to a full blown Powerhouse,..... <br /><br />The Stockmarkets are Climbing,.... The GNP is UP,..... Everybody who Wants a Job,.. Has 1... <br /><br /> Once again your right Bondo the unemployment is down way down, but what is the pay that the unemployed are getting compared to their previous jobs?<br /> Here a little bit of information from the U.S.Bureau of labor statistics on the disappearing manufacturing industry, average wage $16.78 per hour, plus benefits, not a whole lot but better that Wal-Marts $10.00per hour and get you benefits on the tax payers dime. But they are hiring, and that puts the unemployment rate down considering they are the largest retailer in the world. <br /> Plenty of hiring in the food industry, $8.00 per and no benefits. When the middle class is gone where will the people get the money to keep any business going? <br /> Bondo you state that you’re a small businessman, and I believe that you are, I truly hope that you continue, and you are successful. Now here comes the big BUT where will your customers be when most of there jobs move offshore?<br /> The country is loosing good paying jobs <br /> The Deficit is Lower than it's been in Awhile............Not at All near the Highest it's Ever Been.( ILL NOT EVEN COMMENT ON THIS ONE, The Outstanding Public Debt as of 26 Mar 2006 at 05:23:40 PM GMT is:<br /> <br /> 8,363,147,715,604.74
 

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Well Tree Hugger,.........<br />Nice try at selective Quotes.......<br />What I said was,......<br />
Originally posted by Bondo:<br />
<br />As a % of the GNP,....... The Deficit is Lower than it's been in Awhile............Not at All near the Highest it's Ever Been.............
Not,......<br />
Originally posted by treedancer:<br /> <br /> The Deficit is Lower than it's been in Awhile............Not at All near the Highest it's Ever Been.( ILL NOT EVEN COMMENT ON THIS ONE, The Outstanding Public Debt as of 26 Mar 2006 at 05:23:40 PM GMT is:<br /> <br /> 8,363,147,715,604.74
It's Quite Obvious to Me,............<br />You have No Clue,..... How Money Works,..... And has worked since we were trading Sea Shells.......<br /><br />As for the rest of your Drivel,............<br />I've got Better things to be doing, than Explaining the difference between a "Cut",+ Just Not INCREASING a budget.............<br /><br />I Stand By My above statements to be in FACT,.... True................
 

TilliamWe

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I've got Better things to be doing, than Explaining the difference between a "Cut",+ Just Not INCREASING a budget.............
I feel your pain, Mr. Bond! ;)
 

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Bondo, <br /><br />Where are your GDP figures? Have you taken into account the 11% fall in the value of the dollar. <br /><br />Its really patriotic that you are proud of your economy but you do understand that at sometime you have to pay back what you borrow? Look at how China are doing everything they can to say your trade deficit is not as bad as being reported. Why do you think they do this? What do you think will happen when foreign investors dont want any more dollars?<br /><br />Good your so pro bush but if I lived there I would consider the facts. <br /><br />Associated Press.<br /><br />"The Commerce Department reported Friday that the gap between what America sells abroad and what it imports rose to $725.8 billion last year, up by 17.5 percent from the previous record of $617.6 billion set in 2004."
 

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chris<br /> Bush says its good. what problem can ya have with that? has Bush or the admin ever ever told a falsehood?<br /> we can make up that cheap chineses junk with or military/industrial complex. and hey 8 bux an hour is a kickin arse wage. dont have medical insurane? dont get sick, you'll be ok. dont have dental? brush more its arright.<br /> heck the Home4 Depot here is paying a whupares 10 buckaroos an hour. last I look applicants were in tents waiting for the chance to apply. who needs Ford or a US GM divison. let them build all the merc outboards in china and shut down that pollutin arse cesspool up in fun do lac.<br /> Ill fix the broken chinese motors as well.<br /> between kitty hawk and chesapeake I saw at least 15 help wanted signs on the 7-11 stores and the other gas and go type stores. jobs are plentiful and everywhere all ya gotta do is go apply.<br /> when we get out of Iraq, well maybe when the next admin figgures it out, dollar a Gallon Don, promised gasoline would be a buck a gallon and all the Iraqi oil will pay for this current unpleasentness.<br /> I dont understand how I could have been so dumb as to not understand and back the Bush plans and planners. why its absolutly brilliant. this time next year I will be rolling in enough Euros, oops dollars, I will hire a guest worker to do my yard and pressure wash the house while I sip a Tsing Tsao or may a Corona with a lime .<br /> I mean cheap oil from corn, cheap Nuke energy I mean it took a president like Bush to point out we are thirsty for oil, why didnt I think of that? goes to show what a brilliant leader of men our president is. all we have to due,according to Bush, is quit using oil. man what a socially simple plan.
 

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The bottom line of reality for Alden is that when the "rich" are stolen from in lesser amounts by the Feds, I get more remodeling work.<br /><br />What that has to do with natural resources or politics, I don't know, nor do I care.<br /><br />As far as passing debt down to our children, that should have been thought of before the creation of the numerous social programs we already have.
 

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I have a real problem with the "Welfare Mentality" I hear and see. All the so called conservatives (in reality elitist bigots) slam them as a parasite on society. It's wrong because it costs money. <br />Well the reality is that people need a helping hand once in awhile, and that is the intention behind most of our basic social "entitlements."<br />I also have a problem with those who make a living on social programs. Abuses abound and that is what gives the self-righteous "conservatives" ammunition to try and abolish said programs. I agree severe restrictions need to be implemented on such programs but they still need to be available to the vulnerable citizens. <br />And as for the "Debt" being caused by these social programs, only in the right wings greatest dreams. But then again police, fire and emergency medical care are all social programs that contribute to this debt, maybe we should abolish all of those too.
 

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DLM, spoken like a true bleeding heart. Man, you are stupid!<br />"Once in a while" sure, maybe, but why is it the government's job? Ever heard of PRIVATE charitable organizations? How about churches? We've been giving money "once in a while" for 60+ years, and it hasn't worked! Talk about believing in something blindly! <br />" Hello Pot? The Kettle is calling."<br />Alden, ain't it amazing how much Americans will spend when theyt have more money to do so? I'd say it's the "natural" way!
 

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All I ask is that all these folks that advocate big tax cuts be honest at the same time and explain precisely what cuts in services they advocate to pay for these cuts.<br /><br />The reason they don't of course is they can't get re-elected if they were honest. Everyone wants lower taxes as long as we don't cut services. A nifty trick, but we are going to need Merlin to pull it off.
 

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PW2,<br /><br />It is funny if you ask an individual what happens if he spends more than he earns he understands he gets into debt and eventually he has to reduce his spending to pay it back. Its such an easy concept why when its a country do people think its different. I really dont care who is responsible Im not pro republican or democrat but if you want tax cuts you get cuts in spending on public services or larger debt for you kids to pay off.
 

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It's a universal election theme, promising something you can't deliver.<br /><br />I recall the first election my daughter was involved in, for Jr. High president.<br /><br />The candidates had to give speeches in an assembly, her opponent spoke last, and promised to have pop machines installed in the lunch room of the school.<br /><br />My daughter came home incensed at this, as she knew he did not have the authority to do any such thing, and no way would the administration of the school agree.<br /><br />Welcome to the world of politics, I told her!
 

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In defense of selective tax cuts, there are times when tax cuts are appropriate, even if they lead to short term deficits.<br /><br />After 9/11 for example, when the economy was set on its heels. we really needed people to step up and spend some money, and we had a tax rebate of $300 or so to stimulate the economy. Since the recession of the time was mostly a consumer problem, targeted tax cuts, especially to the middle class who were more likely to spend the extra money, made lots of sense at the time.<br /><br />In Reagan's time, we were faced with double digit interest rates and runaway inflation, tax incentives on investments made lots of sense, as if you can earn 15% on capital by simply putting it in a bank, it's hard to convince someone to put it at risk unless the possible returns are huge.<br /><br />Today, of course, with interest rates at all time lows, it's relatively easy to find capital if you have a halfway decent business plan.<br /><br />The fundamental problem with this president is he has faced our current problem and attempted to use Reagan's solution, which made no sense whatsoever. To the extent the cuts reached those who would spend, they were a help, but the vast majority of the cuts did not go where they were needed for the economy, and just led to less revenue and big deficits.<br /><br />Tax policy can make a huge difference, and sometimes short term deficits are a good thing, as long as they lead to increased revenue at some point, and reduced deficits.<br /><br />Policy can be used to stimulate the economy and be good, or they can lead to rewarding the base and buying votes and be not so good.<br /><br />It is a complex issue, and one hopes there are qualified and professional people making some of these decisions, as opposed to just political hacks.
 

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Originally posted by TilliamWe:<br /> DLM, spoken like a true bleeding heart. Man, you are stupid!<br />
But at least I'm smarter than you!<br /><br />Why do I say this? Retaliation? NO!<br /><br />Because I understand that there is more to society than just ME and what benefits me!<br /><br />And...<br />At least I have a heart.
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br /> I have a real problem with the "Welfare Mentality" I hear and see. All the so called conservatives (in reality elitist bigots) slam them as a parasite on society.
I think you just called me a bigot . . . :( Not happy!! However I am a Frequent Flier Elite . . . does that count? :rolleyes: <br /><br />I don't recall any conservatives here or that I know or that I have heard referring to anyone as a parasite :confused: Although I have heard of intestinal parasites.<br /><br />Ya wanna know what is really disgusting? Anyone telling anybody that they need more welfare or more benefits because they have been cheated out of the American dream. That I HAVE heard from the left. Repeatedly. Bleecccccchhhhh!!! Puke!! (not from intestinal parasites, from your post)<br /><br />Ya wanna know how you balance a budget? Show people how to pay taxes by working hard to do so, and reminding them that the American dream is for everyone. Period. That I HAVE heard from the "so called" conservatives.
 

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Originally posted by QC:<br /> I think you just called me a bigot . . . :( Not happy!! However I am a Frequent Flier Elite . . . does that count? :rolleyes:
Only you know what is in your heart. So if the shoe fits wear it. Otherwise I apologize for your misunderstanding me.<br />
I don't recall any conservatives here or that I know or that I have heard referring to anyone as a parasite :confused: Although I have heard of intestinal parasites.
I'm sure that you have never heard any con say anything verbatim to what I have said.<br />
Ya wanna know what is really disgusting? Anyone telling anybody that they need more welfare or more benefits because they have been cheated out of the American dream.
Than is NOT what I said. I do however agree with specifically what I just quoted from you.<br />
That I HAVE heard from the left. Repeatedly. Bleecccccchhhhh!!! Puke!! (not from intestinal parasites, from your post)
OOOH Slam!! I don't know what to say to you. You are undoubtedly and obvious so entrenched in your narrow-minded thought process that you won't try to understand anything anyone who isn't in lock-step with the idiot-in-chief has to say.<br /><br />
Ya wanna know how you balance a budget? Show people how to pay taxes by working hard to do so, and reminding them that the American dream is for everyone. Period. That I HAVE heard from the "so called" conservatives.
Any free and successful society has to care for it's less fortunate. I agree that everyone should work and pay their fair share of taxes, that goes for the poorest and the richest. And I seriously doubt the vast majority of those on social assistance programs feel that they are living the American dream. Just as you believe that giving huge tax-breaks to the wealthy will increase tax revenues so will certain social programs. One that pops to mind is a young friend of mine who will be receiving a Pell Grant to seek a degree to become physical therapist. You "Social programs are evil" types would eliminate this grant and deem her unworhty of a higher education unless she could afford it herself or her parents. To the more liberal (even those just to the right of center) would intelligently realize that this investment of tax dollars to benefit a less fortunate young lady will return benefits far in excess of the additional tax dollars her higher income will draw.<br />To make it simple for you to understand, instead of earning $8-$10 an hour, or $16,640-$20800 and paying little or no taxes on her unskilled job, she will earn 2-3x's that much and pay significantly more in taxes, not only income, but sales, use, and other taxes due to her increased discretionary income.<br />But she doesn't deserve that college education because she and her family are not of the means to pay for it themselves. Please..... Now that is disgusting. And defeatist.
 

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When you have low unemployment, and a GDP growth rate of 3 % or so, and are still running 1/2 trillion dollar deficits, you have a structural tax rate problem.<br /><br />It's completely delusional if you really think you can solve this by cutting down on welfare fraud.
 

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DLM,<br /><br />I was specifically reacting to the piece that I quoted you on. I disregarded the rest of your post after that. IMHO your statement was pretty inclusive . . . Sorry for the puke comment, I was just trying to tie the parasite back in.<br /><br />You must admit you intended to paint the right as insensitive, cold and racist. Pretty tired labels and again, you did not qualify your statement.<br /><br />I think any support for Politicians that pander to recipients of social programs and tell them that they have been discriminated against and have been specifically excluded from this society is wrong. I did not say that you held that, but those you support do.<br /><br />I also believe that there need to be safety nets, never said that I didn't.
 

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Originally posted by David L. Moore:<br />
Originally posted by TilliamWe:<br /> DLM, spoken like a true bleeding heart. Man, you are stupid!<br />
But at least I'm smarter than you!<br /><br />Why do I say this? Retaliation? NO!<br /><br />Because I understand that there is more to society than just ME and what benefits me!<br /><br />And...<br />At least I have a heart.
Only the Lord & I know what's in my heart, and I can live (and die and be judged) with that.<br /><br />I won't even try to explain how to show compassion & help your fellow man, cause you obviously don't know how to read my posts and understand that it's NOT the government's job to do so. Thanks for proving my point, again! You actually think it's our purpose to live our lives and work to pay more taxes to "help" the less fortunate?! Oh My :eek: :eek: :eek: David you are in the wrong country. The one you want... well it doesn't exist anymore. But Fidel can't last forever, maybe you should get to Cuba and try to suceed him?<br /><br />Retaliate all you want, but I have said my peace. I can't have a battle of wits with an unarmed man
 
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