tearing into gearcase

78whiteorbs

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Got a 69' 33 HP electric start that I need to change the seals out ,or at very least the prop seal and was told I have to disassemble the gear case. Can anyone give instruction? Aside from the obvious gearcase bolts . Is this a very complicated job? I was under the impression that it was not but now I am starting to wonder . I read it could be done in 20 minutes . Have I been smoking crack again late at night?
 

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Re: tearing into gearcase

Got a 69' 33 HP electric start that I need to change the seals out ,or at very least the prop seal and was told I have to disassemble the gear case. Can anyone give instruction? Aside from the obvious gearcase bolts . Is this a very complicated job? I was under the impression that it was not but now I am starting to wonder . I read it could be done in 20 minutes . Have I been smoking crack again late at night?

Well friend, I am a pro with over 20 years experience on those things, and I might be able to do it in 20 minutes if I really rushed the job. But someone as a novice, no way. At least not if you clean it up properly and do a decent job of it. It probably will take you that long just to get those screws out if you don't have a hand impact screwdriver. But obviously, you can do it as evidenced by the hundreds of other novices that do it. Some muck it up and some get away with it.

In addition to the impact screwdriver, you will need a new spagetti seal and sealer, and oil to refill it. I might add that the seal doesn't always knock out of the retainer by using the punch through the two holes as designed. I've often had to put the part in my lathe and cut the seal out.
 

78whiteorbs

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Re: tearing into gearcase

thanks, F_R_
It would be awesome to find a step by step with some photos. Visual learning is the best for me . I will photo document my journey into the abyss for the next guys and post as I go . I will open the gear case tomorrow and see what I find .Hopefully someone can be so kind as to point me towards the next step .

The engine runs great , just gotta fix this seals
 

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Re: tearing into gearcase

To remove lower unit, first remove the little plate on the side of the leg to get to the shift rod coupler. Remove the bottom bolt from the coupler to free the lower shift rod. Now remove the large bolt at the back of the motor leg which goes through from the top. Then remove the bolts which hold the lower unit to the housing - they go in from the bottom. The lower unit and drive shaft should now drop down. Once off, remove the "dreaded" phillips screw from the bottom of the lower unit to release the shift yoke. Then remove the slotted screws which hold the skeg on - you may need a hand impact screwdriver for this job. Now you can remove the skeg and get to the gears and prop shaft seal. There is also a seal at the drive shaft beneath the water pump housing, and a shift rod seal which is a PIA to remove without a special tool. And while in there, best to replace the impeller. Once seals are replaced, put skeg back on with new spaghetti seal and sealer (I use Permatex Form-A-Gasket). Replace the phillips screw (make sure it goes through the hole in the shift yoke) and put on a new O-ring. Then pressure test. Pump it up to about 10psi and see if it holds pressure. If it does, put the lower unit back on, in the reverse order. Make sure the water tubes fit back into the grommets in the water pump housing (soap up the grommet a bit). When re-connecting the shift rod, make sure the recess in the top of the rod lines up with the bolt hole in the coupler. Then replace the bolt. If the shift rod isn't lined up properly, the coupler bolt will strip and the motor won't shift properly. Re-fill the lower unit with gearcase oil by pumping in from the bottom drain hole until it overflows the top vent hole. That's it! 20 minute job? I think not:eek:
 

78whiteorbs

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Might have screwed up. Well , as you can see in the pix everything looks pretty new in there gearwise. Here is where the brakes come.

Tried tapping out the retainer from the housing and ugly . As stated "the seal doesn't always knock out of the retainer by using the punch through the two holes as designed. " Here I am a bit confused. On the parts explosion I only see a retainer housing and a retainer. This may sound stupid but where is the seal? The retainer 313285 is not coming out and I can't figure out how to get it out without destroying the housing . I could dremel the retainer and JB the scored areas of the housing back smooth,it's just aluminum. The part I don't get is where the seal is and why you have to knock out the retainer to get to it.
There was this small rubber seal as pictured with the little spring around it and the o-ring seal that goes around the housing but that is all I can find . hmmm where to next?
 

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78whiteorbs

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Re: tearing into gearcase

Here is what I suspect to be the seal but if it is why would you need to tap out the retainer from the housing ? It is rubber you could just pop it right in ,or?
 

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EDIT: Oh, ok I see! The seal came out but the retainer is still lodged in the Bushing (housing). You should be able to use a small punch and tap the retainer out of the bushing through the two holes, by alternating blows from one hole then the other. Once you get that retainer out, then the new seal and retainer will press right into the bushing. Then the O-ring goes around the outside of the bushing.
 

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Here is what I suspect to be the seal but if it is why would you need to tap out the retainer from the housing ? It is rubber you could just pop it right in ,or?

That rubber seal should not just pop out of the retainer.
 

78whiteorbs

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unfortunately I think I am gonna have to buy a new bushing because as F_R said sometimes they don't pop out. I managed to mangle holes through the retainer trying to tap it out (mighta gotten further if I just keep tapping a little at a time but who knows) so now it is pretty much impossible to remove the retainer . My options now are limited. The question I have is if I buy a seal kit do I have to buy the retainer in addition as well or is that part of the seal kit? In other words are the retainer and seal one piece?

In the sierra seal kit for this engine they list part number that the kit replaces but the 313285 retainer isn't listed there is a part number that is one digit off from this , part number 313284 would that be it?

in the parts explosion they show no seal just the bushing and retainer http://shop2.evinrude.com/ext/index.aspx?s1=03e9702ad071119b242232226c8d352b anyone know where to get a new bushing for less than 50 bux? lol, but seriously......
 
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