terrifying first experience! first time boat owner!

Carusoswi

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Re: terrifying 1st exp update!

Re: terrifying 1st exp update!

4/21/2010 - the manager i thought i was speaking to turned out to be the owner!

Owners who value their businesses and appreciate their good fortune (that, no doubt, has been granted through no sparing of sweat equity on their part) will generally react as the owner did in your case. We (business owners) generally understand that the opportunity to do business with you is a discretionary decision made by you. Our success comes as a direct result of your very independent decision to do business with us.

I am so glad that this turned out well for you.

My only criticism is that you, under no circumstance, should allow your reaction to any incident to cloud that natural instinct to protect yourself (as in all your body parts). I know it's easy to get carried away and forget to be careful (I fell off my roof on 11/1/09 while cleaning my gutters, so I know), but you should never have done whatever it is that caused you to sustain that awful finger injury. Boats, trailers, cars, trucks . . . they can all be replaced. In the present state of the industry, we humans cannot regenerate body parts. Be careful out there, buddy.

Happy boating.

Caruso
 

Carusoswi

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Ya you MUST cross your safety chains so if your trailer does become unhitched from the tow vehicle the tongue of the trailer will land in the "basket" created by the chains and keep it off of the road, letting you maintain more control over the trailer than if the tongue had fallen all the way down to the road.

I've never seen a cross-chain arrangement that I would expect to work this way. If my hook-up comes undone, the chains should keep the trailer in line with my vehicle, but the tongue is definitely going to hit the road. Any tighter arrangement of the chains is going to cause them to bind when I'm maneuvering my rig.

Caruso
 

Carusoswi

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Re: terrifying 1st exp - 4th update!

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All of your comments may very well point to an underlying weakness in the philosophy of this and similar establishments. If the saleskid showed up with this big of a chip on his shoulder, then, he is either an outright wise guy who needs to be taught a lesson, or his compensation package does not properly coordinate with what appears to be the owner's sound business philosophy (or the OP's optimistic faith in this owner is misplaced).

The kid's efforts to make things "right" would have been suspended by me at his first evidence of attitude, and that remark about the dealership being @$%@#$ responsible would have elicited an immediate call to the owner.

On the other hand, I've worked in jobs where there was intense pressure to sell, service, integrity, quality, all that sort of gingerbread be damned.

If this guy is in that sort of situation, he can't really be blamed for his attitude. If that is his situation, he can look forward to scorn for offering good service. He can expect zero compensation also. None of this is, of course, the concern of the OP who only needs to be made whole.

I, too, am perplexed that the owner would send this kid, who screwed things up to begin with, out to set things right without having send someone with more experience who might also be a bit more objective and "franchise oriented" to monitor the situation.

If I were the OP, I'd be letting the owner know in no uncertain terms that the attitude of this kid was counterproductive to remediation, and that, if this was the best the operation could do in an attempt to solve the problems, the were definitely going to lose this customer for any future business. Sincere (wise) owners will appreciate this information. Bad ones will generally reveal their weakness, confirming your resolve never to deal with them again.

I would never let that brash kid get away with his terrible attitude.

Caruso

You have far more restraint than I have!
But I'd have tossed the idiot out of there at the first sign of an attitude, and if he scraped up your trailer tearing out of your driveway, then he's liable for that as well. It sounds like a pretty messed up place to deal with. As a business owner, if you have a customer problem with a certain employee, and your trying to make it right, you certainly don't keep involving that same employee with that customer. After the incident, I'd be afraid of what that jerk might do to the boat between the your house and the dealer. He's certainly been reprimanded by the owner, or if not, their all in the same category there, maybe the salesman is a relative or something? I've worked in car and truck dealerships for over 25 years, when a customer complains about a salesman or tech, they rarely give that vehicle back to the same guy. There's just too much of a chance for the employee to try to get even for the complaint, or worse, the boss that reprimanded him. I've been the clean up guy in those situations all too often, having to be the one to deal with the wronged customer who is one step from a law suit and just looking for someone to nail with some wrong doing.

I also know what some sales people can be like, once they get their commission, their done with you. Most likely any repairs or adjustments to be made are coming out of his commission. As will any damage repairs.
I was out looking at new boats today, mind you I own 6 right now, I went to a rather new dealer nearby, a barely 20 something salesman comes out, asks me if I'm looking for a boat, and I bit my tongue and just asked if they sold any bare hulls, as I have a new motor.
The kid came right back and started a sales pitch on a $32K aluminum boat with a brand new motor and aluminum trailer. I stopped him mid pitch and repeated that I only want a bare hull, a wide flat bottom boat with a modified V bow. He then went right into how not buying a motor with the boat and having it installed there voids any and all warranty and how there was a mandatory $360 trailer fitting fee if the trailer didn't come from that dealer. My reply to that was fine, I'll take it home on a flat bed, no adjustments needed.
(Keep in mind that I know the owner of the this place, who was inside at the time, so just let this idiot go on and on). After the flat bed comment the kid goes inside, where I overhear him telling the manager there's some ******* out there who don't want a motor or trailer and don't want to pay any of the costs. He called me every name under the sun not realizing I had walked in the side door and was standing on the other side of the showroom. I slipped into the owners office, who also heard the comment made where all could hear. I let him go on and finish, while the manager kept it going coaching the sales kid how to push a boat sale, and if not, just get rid of me because "Customers like that are more trouble than their worth".
The look on that kids face when he and the manager was paged to the owners office and found me and the owner having a beer and joking about something was absolutely priceless. He, the owner, then did one better buy introducing me as their new manager, (Joking of course). I don't think I've ever seen two guys backpedal so hard as they did. I have half a mind to show up there 8 AM tomorrow just to see the look on their faces again. I'd be surprised if either are there a week from now.

I'd bet money on it you've got the same type of idiots your dealing with, only I'm not so sure the dealer sees what he has working for him. Chances are the salesman is making them money and if so, he's going to be there till he no longer brings in the bucks. Most salesman work on commission only, so if he's dealing with your boat and a prior sale, that takes away from his chances of making money right now. It's a bad situation for all involved.

I would be more upset about the guy's attitude at this point than with then not properly hitching up the boat in the first place. While they are certainly liable, it still was just as much your responsibility to make sure your rig was safe before leaving on the road. Blame who you will, the bottom line was you were driving. But that aside, it sounds to me like the dealer is passing the buck to the salesman hoping he's man enough to make it right, but by the sound of his attitude, that's not going to happen. In which case the dealer will toss the salesman under the bus and finally fix the situation when there's no other way out and he realizes that your not just going to go away.
It's my experience that most salesman work on about a 60% promise fulfillment rate, meaning that they do roughly 60% of what they say they will, and that percentage drops once they have your money. I'm not downing all salesman, but most I've met fall into this category.
 

Baytown.boy

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Re: terrifying first experience! first time boat owner!

I've never seen a cross-chain arrangement that I would expect to work this way. If my hook-up comes undone, the chains should keep the trailer in line with my vehicle, but the tongue is definitely going to hit the road. Any tighter arrangement of the chains is going to cause them to bind when I'm maneuvering my rig.

Caruso

Its a Texas state law, chains must be crossed, or ya get a ticket.Check your state law.


And if this would have happened in Texas with this smart alec salesman, there would have been a arse whipping going on with da boy!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
 

Carusoswi

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Re: terrifying first experience! first time boat owner!

Its a Texas state law, chains must be crossed, or ya get a ticket.Check your state law.
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Not sayin' I don't cross my chains, but, even when driving in Texas, my crossed chains do not create a "basket" that would catch the tongue of my trailer if it popped of the hitch.

Caruso
 

The Famous Grouse

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Re: terrifying first experience! first time boat owner!

Is a car dealer that sells me a car responsible if I don't know how to drive a car? I think not.

Never let anyone else rig your tow set up. At least not without double checking it yourself. I'm sure the coupler was sitting on top of the ball. I have made the same mistake myself. If you'd just pulled up on the trailer tongue you would have seen it was not attached.

Totally agree.

Sorry, but I don't buy the "blame the cocky young punk" defense. What's up with that, you think once you hit 40 you got some kind of cocky old man liability release that makes everything you do somebody else's responsibility?

Why is it that you thought a salesman should be responsible for properly hooking up your trailer, but you as the owner should be absolved of all responsibility for what you were towing behind your truck?

In my book anything hooked to my vehicle is MY responsibility. So I always hook it up myself and if I'm not comfortable with the setup, I DO NOT tow it. End of story. And yes, it has come up. I left a Bobcat sitting in the rental yard because I wasn't sure that the brakes on the trailer would work properly with my vehicle. So I didn't tow it.

It's a raw deal, but it was your mistake for not knowing and not asking. Sometimes it's not just cocky young punks that end up learning the hard way. Cocky old farts that think they know everything once they hit 40 also end up learning the hard way sometimes too.

Grouse
 

rutcutter

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Re: terrifying first experience! first time boat owner!

The main thing is do not let this scare you away. You can overcome this and master towing your boat.
From reading this there are only a few things that could have caused this:
1. Incorrect ball size for your trailer. The ball could have been too small.
2. The trailer was not all the way down on the ball.
3. The coupler was not latched down properly.

Good luck to you.
 

sethjon

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As you lower the trailer hitch onto the ball make sure the clamp is not in a closed position. Pull one side back until it is on the ball. You should be able to see that it lowered all the way down. Kind of like a hat on your head, it has to be all the way down and then use a lock to make sure there is no way the handle somehow could come up.
 

MassillonBuckeye

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Sounds like a stand-up guy. Stuff like this renews my faith in humanity. I'll bet that salesman didn't last long either... Glad noone got hurt and everything worked out!

4/21/2010 - i dont know how to reply to all so i will post a new thread to update all who replied. i truly am not the suing type so i went to the dealership and asked to speak to the manager- we sat down in private office one on one and i calmly explained what happened - i was expecting a fight or for him to say sorry not our problem-however he sat and listened attentively with his eyes as big as saucers! ( i am totally not a confrontational person and avoid it as much as possible!) he said he was sorry and looked at my damaged truck and agreed to fix everything damaged in the incident and also agreed to fix some things that should have been fixed before delivery of the boat/ like a prop lock with no key/ batteries charged/aft light replaced which snapped in the incident/ boat washed and detailed as is supposed to be done on every boat leaving the lot/ and tounge ajusted as this was determined to be the problem as the ball and hitch were both 2 inch. all of the these things were promised by the salesman but one by one were made excuses for or backed off of once paper work was finalized- he sent me to a collision repair shop and they will provide a rental car. so as long as it all happens- this one has a happy ending and yes i did learn a valuable lesson ! thanks to all will keep you updated! and yes i plan to take a boaters safety course asap! ps: the manager i thought i was speaking to turned out to be the owner!
 
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