The Absolute Best Engine Ever put in an Automobile

lowkee

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I would have to say whatever is in the Honda Civic. Why you ask? Because of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2BavfShtZU

They drained the oil and put water in it. I took 2 days of abuse to die.
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Yes, that is steam coming from the oil fill
 

triumphrick

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The FIRST Cobras used the Ford 260, which evolved from a 244.<br /><br />The Chebby small block was introduced in 1955, KIZ. That makes it 50 years, but a great engine.

Sorry, JB, just had to throw this one at you. You were the first to point out that the Chevy small block started as a 265 in '55. Kudos for that, but here is the genealogy of the Ford small block. Notice the first one was a 221. It was in my neighbors mom's mid size Fairlane!

http://www.carmemories.com/cmem/Ford/Ford+Resources/Modern+Ford+Engines/Small+Block+221+to+351W
 

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I'm really supprised nobody has mentioned the Ford 3.0, or the GM 3.8, Chrysler 3.3, I know they are all V6 but also 300,000 milers
 

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Chevy 350, Jeep 4.0(for SB torque and good economy and awesome durability), Toyota 20R and 22RE, love my 87 Camry 2.0 4 cyl., and the 1.8??? in my old Golf(no leaks, spunky and easy to work on).
 

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also the Ford and Chey I6's in trucks, great motors and torque
 

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They drained the oil and put water in it. I took 2 days of abuse to die.

How do you know all that? There is no audio. And why after about 1/3rd of the vid did the car change front wheels?
 

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....You were the first to point out that the Chevy small block started as a 265 in '55.....

This is a 2005 thread (thanks qc) but...

"1955" Sortof. Not the same design as the 265/283, but Chevrolet produced a 288ci 50 hp V8 for a truck engine in 1917-1919

Not that that is relevant or makes any difference to this thread, but it is a fun fact that came to mind when I read the above comment.
 

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I'm really supprised nobody has mentioned the Ford 3.0, or the GM 3.8, Chrysler 3.3, I know they are all V6 but also 300,000 milers

Im a fan of the 3.0L OHV Ford. its not a great powerful all owning engine, but its dead simple. Cast iron block and heads, timing chain and all. Sadly Ford isnt going to be using it anymore. :(
 

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Chevy 350 is by far the top engine. I can be in Zimbabwe and find a wrist pin in a hospital, they are so common. However not all 350's are equal, GM did find ways in the past to cheapen things on and off. And through the 80's they had issues trying to figure out emissions.

I am not a fan of any I6 engine, including the newer 4.2 GM blocks. The 4.2 and 4.0 jeep engines were junk. I cant count the cams Ive put in old GM I6's and how many thrust washers ground into the cranks. Did they produce torque? Yes, but that doesnt mean they lasted 150k miles.

One of the hottest 4 bangers is by far the DSM turbo. Not hard to pull 250hp per cyl out of those little beasts. Many have been built to 600 hp with no bottom end work at all.

Any boxer engine are great, due to their natural balanced action. Porsche, subaru.

The rotary was a great engine, before emmisions became an issue. The rotary engie cannot use an EGR by design and therefore fell off the face of the earth until FORD moved the exhaust and intake ports to the rotary side walls, but that killed power. The apex seals would ware but are not hard to replace, but rotary techs are few and far between.

318 is a great engine for having a bullet proof bottom end, but they suck at producing power, drink gas and spark knock 100% of the time.



I spun wrenches for a GM Pro Shop for years and have a few fav's that are not factory engines. One of my best and most saught street rod engines of that time was a package we built, either a stroked 388 with projection, or a destroked 383 with a whipple. Either one could produce 400 - 550bhp (depending on build stats) but not run hot and still be dependable.


Good lord, I could live on this topic,,, im way too much a gear head. :D
 

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Always loved the 350 Chevy and the Mopar 318....both dang good engines.

This is the coolest i have seen in person,
Twin turbo V-16 Detroit...Argghh!!:cool:

CumminsV-16.jpg
 

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Thats a friggin sweet truck there!

I will have to dig up some pics of my last frame off I completed. 1967 Chevelle with a 572 crater. Was the first 572 to go into a 67, therefore I got to work out all the bugs one at a time :rolleyes: However I got a bit of a dicount on the 572 by sending the build details back to GM Performance.
 

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How do you know all that? There is no audio. And why after about 1/3rd of the vid did the car change front wheels?

There is a full length video (with sound) out there which shows how it starts out on some rails in order to let the tires spin and they shredded the initial tires. I must say, my jaw was on the ground throughout the entire video. I couldn't decide whether to root for the engine blowing or lasting forever!

I found it searching for how-to videos, and that one was 'How to kill a Civic'.. I didn't expect it to require water in the crankcase and two days of abuse!

So, I keep my vote of Honda Civic engine, most indestructible.
 

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Performance motors (Most of these are new school)

Ls1 (just stare at this motor and it makes more power for cheap)

Integra type r/gsr motor, say what you want about imports but 100hp per liter stock is pretty impressive. i had a turbo charged highly modified version of this motor turning 9500rpms sounded great with a turbo dumbed down the fart can sound.

DSM/mitsubishi turbo 2.0l found it eagle talon tsi,eclipse gs-t and gsx. also a galant vr4.. a $100 boost controller will net you enough to run high 12's. when equiped on a gsx or tsi ~1000 = around 300hp and awd.. Impressive little car..(the mitsubishi EVO runs a version of this motor to this day)

Grand national twin turbo 3.8, dont know much about these but ive had freinds build these and seem to make ungodly gains from these motors.

Long lasting motors
4.0 L jeep straight 6
350 chevy
22r toyota motors

My dream car is a 93 Rx7 pull the unreliable rotary and transplant a Ls1.. Only adds 100lbs to the car.. I have a buddy who has one with a blown ls1 and its awesome.
 

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I am not a fan of any I6 engine, including the newer 4.2 GM blocks. The 4.2 and 4.0 jeep engines were junk. I cant count the cams Ive put in old GM I6's and how many thrust washers ground into the cranks. Did they produce torque? Yes, but that doesnt mean they lasted 150k miles.

bmw i6's are hugely durable...150k miles is nothing but a yawn to them. and all are at least 1hp/cubic inch, even the ordinary ones without an ///M badge. 1hp/cubic inch used to be the gold standard for performance in the muscle car era. the most powerful bmw I6's are way, waay, waaay more than 1hp/cubic inch, and in fact, are one of the handful of full-factory warrantied engines to ever eclipse the much tougher 100hp/liter standard, normally aspirated and totally stock. this same 3.2L i6 makes about the same power with it's 192 cubic inches as the most powerful iron-era chevy 350 ever made...stock, anyway. there's just no sane way to decry it as anything but one of the top-ten factory-installed engines ever.

since you mentioned zimbabwe, have you ever been there? it's flooded with bmw i6's, since there is a bmw factory making region-specific product right in neighboring and culturally similar, south africa. [political strife, notwithstanding]. i would be shocked if sb chevy parts were actually more available than bmw i6 parts in zimbabwe or south africa, anyway.

and before you put me in the category with the slew of fruity californians who "love foreiegn cars"... i build and race small block fords. and i love chevy's lsx series. in fact, i love them so much, i'm strongly considering changing my engine program over to LS7 crate motors... in my road race mustang. yes, a chevy motor in a mustang.

see i don't bleed ford blue, or chevy orange or any brand. i don't have nostalgia or loyalty or pride when it comes to car engines. i'm cold and dispassionate. i'd rather have a current 911turbo than an original, 4-speed, hemi cuda, [yes, i speak pretty fluent "muscle car"], even though they may cost nearly the same... simply because the porsche is faster... with much stronger acceleration.

but i am passionate about my '59 35hp super seahorse :) even still, i give it no quarter. i live by the ocean and that's where i use it. if it's in my stable, it earns it's keep.

-peter
 

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Chevy 350 first, just because its so cheap to make power with it. Chevy 454 second, just because they make a ton of torque. Porsche boxers third, because I cant afford one to make it my first choice.:D
 

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I6s are naturally balanced too. That's one reason that almost all heavy-duty truck engines are I6. Also why V12s are soooo sweet . . .

From Wikipedia:

An inline six engine is in perfect primary and secondary mechanical balance, which can be achieved without using a balance shaft. The engine is in primary balance because the front and rear trio of cylinders are mirror images and the pistons move in pairs. That is, piston #1 balances #6, #2 balances #5, and #3 balances #4, largely eliminating the polar rocking motion that would otherwise result. Secondary imbalance is avoided because an inline six cylinder crankshaft has six crank throws arranged in three planes displaced at 120 degrees. The result is that differences in piston speed at any given point in rotation are effectively canceled.
 

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bmw i6's are hugely durable...150k miles is nothing but a yawn to them. and all are at least 1hp/cubic inch, even the ordinary ones without an ///M badge. 1hp/cubic inch used to be the gold standard for performance in the muscle car era. the most powerful bmw I6's are way, waay, waaay more than 1hp/cubic inch, and in fact, are one of the handful of full-factory warrantied engines to ever eclipse the much tougher 100hp/liter standard, normally aspirated and totally stock. this same 3.2L i6 makes about the same power with it's 192 cubic inches as the most powerful iron-era chevy 350 ever made...stock, anyway. there's just no sane way to decry it as anything but one of the top-ten factory-installed engines ever.

since you mentioned zimbabwe, have you ever been there? it's flooded with bmw i6's, since there is a bmw factory making region-specific product right in neighboring and culturally similar, south africa. [political strife, notwithstanding]. i would be shocked if sb chevy parts were actually more available than bmw i6 parts in zimbabwe or south africa, anyway.

and before you put me in the category with the slew of fruity californians who "love foreiegn cars"... i build and race small block fords. and i love chevy's lsx series. in fact, i love them so much, i'm strongly considering changing my engine program over to LS7 crate motors... in my road race mustang. yes, a chevy motor in a mustang.

see i don't bleed ford blue, or chevy orange or any brand. i don't have nostalgia or loyalty or pride when it comes to car engines. i'm cold and dispassionate. i'd rather have a current 911turbo than an original, 4-speed, hemi cuda, [yes, i speak pretty fluent "muscle car"], even though they may cost nearly the same... simply because the porsche is faster... with much stronger acceleration.

but i am passionate about my '59 35hp super seahorse :) even still, i give it no quarter. i live by the ocean and that's where i use it. if it's in my stable, it earns it's keep.

-peter



Nope not bashing at all nor have I been to Zimbabwe, just joking on how common 350 parts are.

My comments on the I6 engines are mainly directed toward GM Ford and Chrysler/Jeep. Yes the Chevy and Ford I6 produced good torque for the CI's but if they were so amazing then how come a vast majority of the 60's and 70 trucks are sporting V8's. I'd say cause the I6's didnt last.

Of all the I6 engines, the BMW's are great..............until you have to work on them. The parts are stupid expensive. A friend of mine works for BMW in Raleigh and he digs the I6 but warns to stay away from any BMW 8Cyl.

The problem I have seen with smaller blocks is as they produce more HP's they loose their longevity. Smaller engines were really the brain child of imports for fuel economy. The original CVCC Honda engines commonly overheated in the late 70's and early 80's because they didnt produce enough power to keep up on American highway speeds. So now here we are in the early 00's to late 00's and we have 4 bangers pushing big HP #'s. These cars survive on old wives tales of durability but those days are long gone as they are built to compete with American V6's and V8's and drivers thurst for big HP #'s.

I found just as many broke engines in Toyota and Nissan dealerships as I did Chevy. Ive dropped just as many tranny's in the import shops as I have domestic.

That all said just to support my opinion on giving any 4 banger a "best engine badge".

I will also go out on a limb here and say that the 5.3 CSB is a much better and longer lasting than the 5.7 CSB even though they have only been here since 1999.
 

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Ya know, I was doin some thinkin tonight and need to revise my comment on 4 bangers. IMO, one bullet proof 4 banger was the old "iron duke" in the old S-10 trucks. Them things just wont die. Stink, and sound like there on their last leg,, but just keep running.
 

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Bmw straight six bullet proof minus timing belt as is jeep 4.0 straight six.
 

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This is the coolest i have seen in person,
Twin turbo V-16 Detroit...Argghh!!:cool:

CumminsV-16.jpg
I have seen one of those too. I don't think it was that one (there are 3 in the Werner trucking collection, if I am not mistaken). The one I saw was twin turbo and supercharged Detroit diesels. VERY impressive.


As far as best engine is concerned, it has to be the Chevy Small block, particularly the 350, from before they started the Vortec crap.
 
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