The doom and gloom liberals of the 70's....

Haut Medoc

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What fer?
Smoke 'em if ya got 'em I say......
I'll be dead in thirty years anyway.....
So it don't make me no nevermind.....
Anything that lowers the earth's population is a good thing, IMHO.....:love:
 

Haut Medoc

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Hmmmm.....
I forgot to mention the fact that I did not see the word 'liberal' once in that article.......
However, I did see the word 'scientist(s)' used frequently.......;)
Now, why do you suppose that is? :)
 

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Haut said:
Hmmmm.....
I forgot to mention the fact that I did not see the word 'liberal' once in that article.......
However, I did see the word 'scientist(s)' used frequently.......;)
Now, why do you suppose that is? :)

Dots Haut, remember the Dots. Learn them, love them and learn to connect them!:p

Also, do not forget about the Rose.
 

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[colour=blue]Can someone explain to me why global warming is portrayed as a political devide and, assuming it is a conspiracy theory, what is to be gained?

I only see one group that has a vested interest in seeing this theory debunked.
 

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Dunaruna said:
[colour=blue]Can someone explain to me why global warming is portrayed as a political devide and, assuming it is a conspiracy theory, what is to be gained?[/colour]

[colour=red]I only see one group that has a vested interest in seeing this theory debunked[/colour]

And what group is that Aldo?
 

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Also, do not forget about the Rose.

I must have forgot........:$
Please elaborate.......
 

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waterinthefuel said:
Were making this arguement, at a time when there was something like 10 times the Co2 being released into the atmosphere as there is now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/

Algore or Haut, care to comment?

If you are using 30 year old science to get your point across, then you believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
 

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Haut said:
Also, do not forget about the Rose.

I must have forgot........:$
Please elaborate.......

Oh, me bad Haut! 'Skeeuzemoi Por Favor.
"A Rose by any other name is still a Rose";)
 

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[colour=blue]The only group that makes big money from seeing this theory debunked, exxon et al.

Can you answer my questions?
 

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Dunaruna said:
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waterinthefuel said:
Were making this arguement, at a time when there was something like 10 times the Co2 being released into the atmosphere as there is now...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/

Algore or Haut, care to comment?

If you are using 30 year old science to get your point across, then you believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer.
Neither first hand or second hand smoke causes cancer....:}
 

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Hmmmmm.....
Oh, I get it!....
All scientists are liberals......Silly me!.....:)
 

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I will Aldo:

1) the truth matters

2) For us to even stay Carbon neutral on this planet would require that we not allow any third world countries to advance whatsoever. In fact it would be best if they just went away.

3) I don't believe it is a conspiracy at all. Fear makes money even without trying

4) Deep down inside it makes humans real happy to believe they are controlling the planet

5) The only way we can make any significant reduction in Carbon emissions is large scale human extermination (see # 2)

6) To answer your question about why it is politically divisive. The left in our country has a long history of seeing boogie men around every corner. Some of them are evil because they make money, some are evil because they buy things, some are evil because they pollute. What they miss is that their own interpretation of evil allows truly evil behavior to continue. (see # 5)
 

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Additionally the American Left, in modern times, has grabbed on to hot button issues that will enable them to diminish American power and prestige, grow the government to give them more control while diminishing the power of the individual, increase taxes and costs of living, thereby reducing standard of living and the power of the Great American middle class.

All of this based on false science that man is responsible for this minute change in global temperature.

Also, as evidenced by our current example, (algore) the left seeks to create two distinct classes. Us and them. They will force us to abide by one set of oppresive rules while they enjoy an existance that is free of them.
 

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This is too good . . from the article:

" in any case, climatologists now are mostly agreed that human impacts will swamp the effects of the Milankovitch cycles"
Those "cycles" being the Earth's tendency to transition between colder and warmer periods on it's own. (See #4 above)

"increased agriculture and burning of coal in power plants, lower the Earth's temperature by reflecting sunlight back into space. Ironically, clean-air laws in North America and Europe had the effect of reducing aerosols (which cause acid rain), so the predominant influence on climate now is the buildup of carbon dioxide—which traps the Earth's heat in the lower atmosphere and contributes to global warming."
Oh, I get it. First we spewed a bunch of stuff up there that cooled the planet, and then when we fixed that we screwed up and started heating it . . . again see #4 above. Hello, Bueller, Bueller, are you paying attention?

"As late as 1992, in a story that for some reason has gotten far less attention, NEWSWEEK revisited the Ice Age threat, this time posing it as a perverse consequence of the greenhouse effect."
Oh this is just getting silly . . . Now we're gonna cool it off, after we warmed it up , after we screwed up cooling it off in the first place. Man, I am telling you, we are (in my best Cousin Eddie) gooooooood, good, goood.

"that particular scenario hasn't gotten much attention in the last decade."
Oh, never mind. We kinda shanked it on that one . . . :=

"The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today."
but, but, we really mean it this time. No, seriously, we do . . .
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"And for good reason: the tools scientists have at their disposal now—vastly more data, incomparably faster computers and infinitely more sophisticated mathematical models—render any forecasts from 1975 as inoperative"
Sorry Aldo, I forgot # 7 above. We are simply smarter now . . . one of my favorites. Who is gonna dispute that?

"Astronomers have been warning for decades that life on Earth could be wiped out by a collision with a giant meteorite; it hasn't happened yet, but that doesn't mean that journalists have been dupes or alarmists "
Oh, I am sorry. I just can't stop. It blows my mind that somebody could read this and conclude: "yeah get that in the next issue, great stuff". :}

"All in all, it's probably just as well that society elected not to follow one of the possible solutions mentioned in the NEWSWEEK article: to pour soot over the Arctic ice cap, to help it melt."
This is just precious. Remember, we were stupid then. All of the ideas today are a result of our superior smarts . . . Where's that rolleyes guy again? . . . Oh here he is:
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What makes it a political divide is this, Dunaruna. There is some sort of international treaty about reducing the amount of greenhouse gasses released into the atmosphere, which the USA has not signed.

The left attacks the administration, saying that "they" (whoever the heck that is) don't care about our planet, they only want big profits for the rich oil guys and the industrialists.

The far right say that the treaty would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs and seriously damage our economy, and that global warming is a natural cycle that we have little or nothing to do with.

The truth probably lies somewhere else. The far left and far right are both mostly wrong, but really want to discredit the other side so they exaggerate their position out of any resemblance to logic.
 

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Keep going QC... you're on a roll. :p
 

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Carl Sagan said it best:

In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time someting like that happened in politics or religion..

Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves.
 

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[colour=blue]We haven't signed Kyoto either.

Thanks, JB. A concise and logical explaination.

I'm passionate about a whole range of topics/issues. Unfortunetly for this particular topic - poiltics doesn't register on my radar which makes it difficult to get my thoughts into words in this forum.

I am trying to look at 'facts' only which is even more difficult because of the political games.

What I do know for an absolute fact - the potential scope of this theory demands this debate because if we get it wrong -

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