The "Drug" problem

[jtexas]

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Kids act up in public cause they get no discipline at home. By the time you get 'em in walmart it's too late. Ought to be disciplining 'em at home, where there's no witnesses. And if you leave bruises or draw blood then maybe it is abuse. I have lots of friends with lots of kids...the best kids I know have never been spanked...doesn't mean they haven't been disciplined. Doesn't mean I equate spanking with abuse, either.

And striking a kid in anger isn't discipline it's revenge, and it's not teaching them what you want them to learn. It's teaching 'em "when you get pi55ed at somebody, hit 'em!" or maybe "I don't care what you do, long as it doesn't pi55 me off!"

say Ron, sounds like in Tennessee you can't discpline a walmart security agent, either!

 

[QC]

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What? Who said I never disciplined my children?

Nobody . . . Just didn't look like something you would post. Our on-line personas continue to evolve into something that may or may not look like who we all really are. Today you are a generally liberal, Bush not liking, discrimination hating, authoritarian parent . . . Yesterday we had not met the authoritarian.

 

[CJY]

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Authoritarian may be a bit harsh, but I understand what you mean.

I grew up under similar circumstances as in my original post. I was never beaten, but I absolutely knew when I screwed up. I then tried not to do it again....at least when my dad was looking. I thought then, I was being punished too severely. But hey, I was a dumbazzed kid that thought he knew everything. Well, I guess some things never change. Anyway, I believe a little discipline could help some of the younger generation.

I don't have anything against "do-gooders." After all, they are doing what they believe to be right, whether I agree or not. I guess if 50 parents get hassled to catch one potentially harmful situation, I will live with it. It is much better than seeing the end result of a child ending up on the news because they were killed by their parent(s).

 

[rmmpe]

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Unfortunately, we live in a world needing a differentiation of discipline and abuse. When I was younger, a long time ago, I was harshly disciplined. To the point it might be called abuse today. It did me no harm and led me to the values I have for the respect of others' property, rights and freedoms. I was a bit easier on my kids but they also have the same values. No drugs, crime or mental issues worth mentioning. I was an authoritarian to some degree.

Abuse is real and must be dealt with. I saw the results of it when working for the Wayne County Coroner in Detroit years ago. It is horrible to behold and because I felt so helpless to stop it, I was left in rage.

The "Do-gooders", for the most part, are doing right. I have never had to interfere in an abusive situation because I, fortunately, have not yet witnessed one. But I would if it ever becomes necessary. I can only hope I have the presence of mind to call the Police rather than become physically involved out of anger.

This is probably a very emotional topic for most of us. There is nothing more precious than the well-being of a child.

'Nuff said.

Please have a very Merry Christmas and a most excellent, healthy and prosperous New Year.
"God bless" (Red Skelton).

 

[BoatBuoy]

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I also believe in discipline, sometimes even discipline that would seem harsh by today's standards. No blood or bruises or anything like that, but a spanking when warranted.

Even young children, need to learn at home that bad conduct results in distasteful consequences.

If they don't learn it young and at home, the legal system and penal system will teach them. Bad behavior results in bad consequences, at 3 years old or 30 years old.

This is one of the many issues where I and the stereotypical liberal part ways.

 

[aspeck]

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Hey BB and CJY, it looks good on you! 8):devil:

I hate child abuse - have had some EMS calls to abusive situations and if it weren't for the well being of the child at the time, my energies would have been directed elsewhere, if you know what I mean. One case, a young teenaged boy intervened and had to hit is Dad over the head with a 2x4. It wasn't a pretty picture, and Dad was last to get treated.

That said, discipline is necessary - and I do believe in the "Spare the rod, spoil the child" scripture passage. Yesterday we had a double murdered plead guilty in court in our county. He sat quietly through the ordeal and after it was over spewed profanities blaming the judge and DA - it was all their fault that he did this. And on thinking about it, he is partly right. He had many, many run ins with the law growing up and he was never punished as severly as he should have been. From Parents to courts, OUR bleeding hearts sometimes compound a problem because we do not teach right and wrong.

A person IS responsible for their own actions, but it is hard to ACT RIGHT, when you have not been TAUGHT what RIGHT IS.

 

[jtexas]

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rmmpe, if you were beaten black & blue or bloodied or regularly humiliated or locked in a closet then you were abused and harmed in ways you may not realize, and even if you don't carry it around with you today, you were harmed as a child, and it wasn't necessary - do you need any more evidence than your own children? Anybody who thinks that is a politically "liberal" or "conservative" viewpoint is only fooling themselves.

 

[jtexas]

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...I do believe in the "Spare the rod, spoil the child" scripture passage...

there is no such scripture

 

[aspeck]

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You are right, it is a paraphrase from Proverbs.

Pro 13:24 He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him chastens him early.

 

[KaGee]

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Spinner, you are spot on.

JTex...

Just pray that some pencil-necked, goody-two-shoes doesn't see or think you are doing something THEY don't approve of. Or else you might find yourself toe-to toe with the Child Services Board some day.

This is one of the problems today... if something isn't happening in your little part of the world, then it just isn't happening at all.

J... you may live in Utopia, but the rest of us live out here in the REAL world where no body can hardly look at a child without some other pointy headed elitist yelling child abuse.

Meanwhile, out here in the REAL world, one of the greatest forms of child abuse happens daily and the only things society does about it is to create more "programs" that further perpetuate the problem.

What's the abuse? Unsupervised children, coming and going and doing whatever they please with no structure or discipline of any kind in their life. And SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS are the greatest contributor to this form of abuse.

If you ask me, they could use some of CJY's "DRUG" influence in their life.

 

[rmmpe]

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Jtex,
Just how in the hell did you get that from my post.
In today's world, lightly striking a child is considered abuse by some.

I was never beaten bloody, scarred or locked in a dark closet. It's this crap Liberals hear, or read, about that is taken to it's most extreme definition and acted upon in a non-sensible manner.

You missed the entire point of my post.

 

[jtexas]

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you said, "I was harshly disciplined. To the point it might be called abuse today."

I didn't say "you were..." yada yada yada, I said "If you were...." Meaning if you weren't, then you weren't.

Then you said "In today's world, lightly striking a child is considered abuse by some. "

I don't know anybody who thinks like that. And if they do, they're just nuts. Not conservatives, not librals, just nutcases. This is just another example of the demonization of democrats by extreme right-wingers.

 

[rmmpe]

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JTex,

Referencing my statement; "In today's world, lightly striking a child is considered abuse by some. "
You wrote:
I don't know anybody who thinks like that. And if they do, they're just nuts. Not conservatives, not librals, just nutcases.
To which I wholeheartedly agree.

You then wrote:
This is just another example of the demonization of democrats by extreme right-wingers.

I reply:
Let's distinguish the definition(s) of Liberal.
The pure definition:
Includes "Tolerant", "Accepting", etc.
The political definition:
"Favoring Democratic reform and the use of govenment resources to effect social progress".

My initial statement was of the political variety but not particularly the demonizing of Democrats. I criticize those forcing unrealistic acceptance of an issue through the vehicle of legislature.
An example being the prosecution of a parent disciplining their child. Or, holding the parent to task based only on what a child may say.

Another example is the current movement to force acceptance of homosexual marriage, which, by any definition, is an unnatural and repulsive act. The alimentary canal, running from the esophagus to the anus, is for the processing of nutrients and the ejection of waste.

Don't be so sensitive based on a common acceptance of a term, regardless of whether it is right or wrong.

That is real world, not a figment of imagination.