The national registry of saltwater anglers

[KRH1326]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

What every single person that has put in thier $.02 in this post or the others, have been missing is this:

The people from NY ( I do not know about the other states so far ) have been screwed with this. The annual fee goes directly to NYS DEC General fund, which then pays COs' salaries.

If one single penny of this fee went to the federal fish and game studies or surveys, I wouldn't complain.

For us, this started when the fed asked for a registry OR a state level registry, that would be data given over to the fed.

Albany, in all it's glory, decided to make this a fee based liscense, none of which goes to the proposed purposes. Remember this is the same group of jackholes that couldn't make a budget last year, and we still don't have one.
This was nothing more than a big cash gain for Albany to squander.

That is why I feel that so many NYers are beefing about it. Nothing for studies, surveys or marine improvements.

For me, that is why I have not purchased it, and will not purchase it. If there was a way to report my catches to the national registry, and bypass Albany's joke, then I would. And yes, all these stripers and fluke sure are yummy.

What is the logic behind this statement:

First of all you already had to do that, at least in CT, NY and Canada; this is what day-passes or month-passes etc are for.

Incorrect. Never had a Salt Water fee in NY, until this past fall.

In summary, I really don't see how a $17 fee for an entire season is worth saying the government is sticking it to us. If I had to take prescription pills, my co-pay for brand-name is $40, how long do pills normally last? a month?

Or think of the NYC bridges, they are $11 a pop just to be honored to drive on the george washington bridge one time, one way.

Why should I have to give money to the biggest pack of loser, lowlife and thoroughly corrupt state government punks, just to have it go down the drain, instead of going to the fishery studies, that it was meant for?

The only thing that I will give NYS is my utter contempt. That's it, you get nothing from me. Thanks again for the stripers and fluke.

 

[Shamus O'toole]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

see this is why I moved away from NY..........

 

[lyle]

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thank you KRH .... CA, I have no problem at the state level since most of the $ actually goes to the program ... I am heading this afternoon to tenn. for 4 days of trout fishing and do not mind at all paying for the license fees and permits ... I have seen first hand the benefits of those revenues as they are very worthwhile and evident .... however, we are not talking freshwater or the state level ... we are talking about the fed level and saltwater ... I believe that very few people are actually 100% sure that this money will be spent on productive efforts for the rec. saltwater fisherman whether they will admit it or not ... glad to hear about the restoration up north ... I am first and foremost a conservationist and if I could see some change maybe I would feel differently about this ... most of my argument comes from principal so if they show me a better way I would support it ... but not after everything I have seen lately
enjoy your outdoors... glad your state works with sportsmen

 

[levittownnick]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

What every single person that has put in thier $.02 in this post or the others, have been missing is this:

The people from NY ( I do not know about the other states so far ) have been screwed with this. The annual fee goes directly to NYS DEC General fund, which then pays COs' salaries.

If one single penny of this fee went to the federal fish and game studies or surveys, I wouldn't complain.

For us, this started when the fed asked for a registry OR a state level registry, that would be data given over to the fed.

Albany, in all it's glory, decided to make this a fee based liscense, none of which goes to the proposed purposes. Remember this is the same group of jackholes that couldn't make a budget last year, and we still don't have one.
This was nothing more than a big cash gain for Albany to squander.

That is why I feel that so many NYers are beefing about it. Nothing for studies, surveys or marine improvements.

For me, that is why I have not purchased it, and will not purchase it. If there was a way to report my catches to the national registry, and bypass Albany's joke, then I would. And yes, all these stripers and fluke sure are yummy.





Incorrect. Never had a Salt Water fee in NY, until this past fall.




Why should I have to give money to the biggest pack of loser, lowlife and thoroughly corrupt state government punks, just to have it go down the drain, instead of going to the fishery studies, that it was meant for?

The only thing that I will give NYS is my utter contempt. That's it, you get nothing from me. Thanks again for the stripers and fluke.

Reluctantly, I bought a NY "R MarineFish2010 01/01-12/31" license. The NYS idiots can't even get that right. In the top right hand section it states valid 10/01/2009 09/30/2010. The saltwater license is valid from 01/01/2010 thru 12/31/2010.
These NYS POS does not pass this fee on to the fisheries/management, only the interest if any earned on this fee is passed on.
In the land of taxes these bandits raised the drivers license to $80 and auto registation to $135. In times of resession, what pocket do they think people pull this money out of? They are Pirates and worse. Politician should be a bleeped word because it is in my mind. end rant.

 

[dingbat]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

What every single person that has put in thier $.02 in this post or the others, have been missing is this:

The people from NY ( I do not know about the other states so far ) have been screwed with this. The annual fee goes directly to NYS DEC General fund, which then pays COs' salaries.

If one single penny of this fee went to the federal fish and game studies or surveys, I wouldn't complain.

For us, this started when the fed asked for a registry OR a state level registry, that would be data given over to the fed.

Albany, in all it's glory, decided to make this a fee based liscense, none of which goes to the proposed purposes. Remember this is the same group of jackholes that couldn't make a budget last year, and we still don't have one.
This was nothing more than a big cash gain for Albany to squander.

That is why I feel that so many NYers are beefing about it. Nothing for studies, surveys or marine improvements.

Let?s look at the budget for New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. It has an annual operating budget of 1 billion dollars. Do you honestly think that their 1 billion dollar budget is financed solely on your license and usage fees? Think again.

Only 58% of that money comes from license and usage fees. Where does the rest come from? Of the remaining, $170 million dollars (17%) of it comes from Federal grants and remaining $240 million dollars (24%) comes from the State's General Fund. Seems like the residents who who don't boat or fish are the one that are really getting screwed in all of this.

Think of it this way. The license money is going into the State's General Fund to help subsidie next year?s 1/4 billion dollar handout to the NYDEC.

 

[Fly Rod]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

Sometimes it is a good idea to do a little research before making incorrect statements of where monies go from fishing in certain states. There are no license fees this year for all the states going into this new salt water program. There are states exempt such as Florida and others because they already have a fee to salt water fish

The New York salt water fishermen have been benefiting on every New Yorkers dime whether a fisherman or not. New York has an artificial reef program paid for by all the people of New York.

You can go to google and type in "artificial reef program in new york" click on aquaexplores artificial reef program and they give the Lat-longs of all the reefs in NY and Jersey.

I wish Mass. had a program like NY.

Sorry, took down url because of marine equipment advertising.

 

[levittownnick]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

Let?s look at the budget for New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. It has an annual operating budget of 1 billion dollars. Do you honestly think that their 1 billion dollar budget is financed solely on your license and usage fees? Think again.

Only 58% of that money comes from license and usage fees. Where does the rest come from? Of the remaining, $170 million dollars (17%) of it comes from Federal grants and remaining $240 million dollars (24%) comes from the State's General Fund. Seems like the residents who who don't boat or fish are the one that are really getting screwed in all of this.

Think of it this way. The license money is going into the State's General Fund to help subsidie next year?s 1/4 billion dollar handout to the NYDEC.

Think of it this way. The government has no money of it's own except what they take from the people, so any program they chose to set-up and fund comes from us. All of us fund all kinds of programs, many of which many of us will never benefit from, so when there is a program that one may benefit from, rest assured that you long since have paid into it (over and over again).

IF we are not getting screwed, why is it that the percentage of taxes we pay keeps increasing and we cant even keep up with what we already have much less build new? Think of the % tax that was paid 50 years ago and compare it to now. If it were for inflation, only the dollar ammount would increase. Now tell me we are not getting screwed.

 

[Shamus O'toole]

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so move....just sayin....

 

[dingbat]

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IF we are not getting screwed, why is it that the percentage of taxes we pay keeps increasing and we cant even keep up with what we already have much less build new? Think of the % tax that was paid 50 years ago and compare it to now. If it were for inflation, only the dollar ammount would increase. Now tell me we are not getting screwed.

Ok, lets go back 50 years. In 1959 the top tax rate was 10%. In 1960 that rate dropped to 9.1%. Then from 1961 the tax rate went up to 14% and stayed there until 1968. In 1969 the top tax rate increased to 15% and stayed there until 1977. Thats an average tax rate of 13.1% over a 18 year period.

In 1978 the top tax rated started dropping. By 1997 the tax rate hit a low of 6.85% and stayed there until until 2008. In 2009 the top tax rate was increased to its current 8.97%.

The dramatic drop in the tax rates of the late 70's that lasted for 30 years would certainly explain the lack of support for the existing infrastructure your complaining about.

Bottom line, you're paying a lower rate than you did 50 years ago.

 

[tx1961whaler]

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Ok, lets go back 50 years. In 1959 the top tax rate was 10%. In 1960 that rate dropped to 9.1%. Then from 1961 the tax rate went up to 14% and stayed there until 1968. In 1969 the top tax rate increased to 15% and stayed there until 1977. Thats an average tax rate of 13.1% over a 18 year period.

In 1978 the top tax rated started dropping. By 1997 the tax rate hit a low of 6.85% and stayed there until until 2008. In 2009 the top tax rate was increased to its current 8.97%.

The dramatic drop in the tax rates of the late 70's that lasted for 30 years would certainly explain the lack of support for the existing infrastructure your complaining about.

Bottom line, you're paying a lower rate than you did 50 years ago.

I take it those are state tax rates you're quoting?
The top Federal marginal income tax rate in 1959 was....91%
Of course there were loopholes big enough to drive a truck through, so nobody but Elvis paid that rate.....

 

[Fly Rod]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

Are we talking fishing or politics now?

We were talking about monies from fishing licenses.

 

[levittownnick]

Re: The national registry of saltwater anglers

Let?s look at the budget for New York State Department of Environmental Conservation. It has an annual operating budget of 1 billion dollars. Do you honestly think that their 1 billion dollar budget is financed solely on your license and usage fees? Think again.

Only 58% of that money comes from license and usage fees. Where does the rest come from? Of the remaining, $170 million dollars (17%) of it comes from Federal grants and remaining $240 million dollars (24%) comes from the State's General Fund. Seems like the residents who who don't boat or fish are the one that are really getting screwed in all of this.

Think of it this way. The license money is going into the State's General Fund to help subsidie next year?s 1/4 billion dollar handout to the NYDEC.

All money spent in the persuit of fish is subjected to Sales Tax on the purchase and then Income Tax on the profit the Merchant and on the Supply businesses. This includes the fisher-persons transportation and all expenses that would not have ocurred had they not fished. Bottom line is we are ripped off over and over again.

 

[vxtech]

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wouldn't it be easier to take fishing license fee from all united states taxpayers and call it recreational tax,cause i think is coming soon whether you fish or not