The Right Perspective

Speedwagon

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[I believe this is about a year old, and found it to be an interesting read, that was forwarded to me via email]

Things that make you think a little........

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during January....

In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following...

FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman...finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy...started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has ....liberated two countries; crushed the Taliban; crippled al-Qaida; put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North Korea without firing a shot; and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound- That was a 51-day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chapaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
 

POINTER94

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Speedwagon, you have to avoid facts. Just use ad-hominum attacks. That is how you do it today.

The nice thing about being a leftie is never having to say your sorry, or you were wrong.8) Ever:}

Rose Law Firm billing records under the marriage bed in the White House...... That's just great:love: BTW, did you know that Detroit is considered the most liberal city in the US. Even more than San Fransisco or Madison Wisconsin. Whats with all the murders???

They kind of missed exposing the whole corrupt and useless UN thing in the post.
 

Link

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Speedwagon:
POINTER94:

QUIT trying to confuse me with facts!

I'm going back to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and BBC for the TRUTH!

It's on TV so it has to be the truth! Right!

The above sentence I actually heard from a (drunk 22 year old) yelled to a Ft Lewis Soldier about 8 months ago, who was shipping out to Iraq in three days.

He also called him a baby killer.

At that point in time I'm spinning around on my counter (bar stool) with coffee cup in hand (and thinking you old fart! Your going to get your arse kicked)

And said: Micky Mouse is also on TV! Is he real too?
There was about a 2 second pause.. then everyone started clapping.. I think that saved me! :)

Then we gave the soldier a ride home to his barracks on FT Lewis.
 

demsvmejm

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Please explain to me what constitutes "Took Iraq"? Are we ready to leave yet? Is the nation under stable self-rule, or complete US control? Please Speedwagon, explain or stop the right wing spin.

The baby bush camp and it's mindless sheople need to realize that no matter how much it is repeated, a mistruth will NOT become true. That has been the mantra of that mindset for the last 5+ years, "Tell the lie long enough and it will become true." NOT!!!
 

Haut Medoc

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FYI, Germany declared war on us first......
Combat related deaths?
So, I guess that any Iraqi who dies does not count by your standards...
Now if there were 35 cops getting killed in Detroit in a month, you would have my attention.....
The rest of the guano, I won't even address.....
Where did you get that tidbit, from Rush Limpbaugh? :love:.....JK
 

POINTER94

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FDR...led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us:

Response: FYI, Germany declared war on us first......

Not really responding to the statement.

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Combat related deaths?
So, I guess that any Iraqi who dies does not count by your standards...
Now if there were 35 cops getting killed in Detroit in a month, you would have my attention.....


So, any citizen of Detroit that dies does not count. By your standards.

Are we to understand that an Iraqi citizen who dies is very important --- but a USA citizen really doesn't matter. People are people whether they wear a uniform, a badge, or a baseball cap. Its the rules they play by that change.

The rest of the information you call garbage, but it is just history and just fact. Sorry you don't like it. I guess anything that you don't like must come from Rush Limbaugh. OK Makes sense. Try and trash the messenger and not the content.
 

PW2

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So how many American deaths are an acceptable number in Iraq?

How many are too many?

I'm curious.
 

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Lefties who have repied so far, This is important:

(1) STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!

(2) BEFORE PROCEDING ANYFURTHER, RE-READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

(3)TAKE TEN DEEP, CLEANSING, BREATHS, AND SAY "OHM" AT LEAST TEN TIMES.

(4) TAKE NOTE OF WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING, AND WHERE YOUR ALLEGIANCES LIE.

color=green] This has been a warning brought to you by the American Identity Crisis Intervention Team.
Thank you.


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12Footer

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DANGIT!!! I LOST EDIT AGAIN!!!!



Lefties who have repied so far, This is important:

(1) STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD!

(2) BEFORE PROCEDING ANY FURTHER, RE-READ THE ORIGINAL POST.

(3)TAKE TEN DEEP, CLEANSING, BREATHS, AND SAY "OHM" AT LEAST TEN TIMES.

(4) TAKE NOTE OF WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING, AND WHERE YOUR ALLEGIANCES LIE.


This has been a warning brought to you by the American Identity Crisis Intervention Team.
Thank you.
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The old me
 

POINTER94

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Good question PW,

Whats freedom of the press worth to you?
Protection against Illegal search and seizure?
The right to vote?
The right to assemble?
The right to bear arms?
Private property rights?
The right to practice your religion?

To some these things have no value. To others these are god given rights and to take them away equals dictatorship. Some people think that a dictatorship is a good thing, see all the people who support Castro. So my question is when is it ok to live as a slave to the government? What is it worth is a sliding scale depending on how you feel about being an automaton to someone who sets up a free clinic. Some assign value to being free, others assign value to being equal - usually destitute - and to answer your question you have to be able to assign weight to rights. Some would die for the right to vote, would you?

To put it another way, if you were the child of a white, blue eyed, blond haired family living in Germany during the early 40's Hitler looked pretty good. If you were a Jew living in a slum, your perspective might have been different. It is your ability to step outside yourself and see the actual rightous position that will help assist you in interpreting your core values and therefore assign weight.

I do find it interesting how the left would move heaven and earth, even at the risk to our homeland security, to provide all the rights of an American citizen on a terrorist (enemy combatant) in Gitmo, but have a difficult time giving so much as lip service to bringing the same rights to the average working person in Iraq. (Who exactly built Abu Grab? And where are the rape rooms in Gitmo?) The dicotomy is striking.
 

Haut Medoc

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FDR led us into war....Yup! & justified, btw....
Unlike our unjustified,unlawful prosecution of the Iraqi war....
Reread original post, some of the comparisons, & leaps of logic lead me to this conclusion: STILL GUANO!....
Esp. the one that compares the # of combat deaths to the # of murders in Detroit....
It is an assinine comparison.....
& then you go on to make it even dumber.....
BTW, communism in the 50's 60's was a way bigger threat than Saddy ever was.....
The only thing that I saw in there, was that we still have military might.....
If GHWB had any guts he would have rolled right into Baghdad way back when....
He was too busy worrying about getting re-elected....
The whole little blurb just has the sound/feel of Rush Limpaugh's blather......
Gitmo doesn't have a rape room, they are located in the "secret prisons"......
BTW, "OHM" is a measurement of electrical resistance...
"OM", is the mantra.....
:love:......JK
 

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Haut said:
BTW, "OHM" is a measurement of electrical resistance...
"OM", is the mantra.....
:love:......JK

Just shows to go you -- I know a lot about electronics, and even served time as a bench man in my father's TV shop... Yet, i am CLUELESS whan it comes to all things hippy and mantras (mantrai? Montrum?) Oh well. At any rate, Thanks for the "enlightenment", HM.

om---om--om--Nope...Still don't sound right! Sounds like, "om about to derail me a thread", as opposed to "ohm X 10". :)


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POINTER94

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Haut,

Rape rooms are located in the secret prisons. You know this because you saw them raping prisoners in secret prisons? Or are you just making this up. You state as fact so I have to assume you saw the rape rooms, while a prisoner was being raped in undisclosed countries. What exact techniques did they employ? Were there any foreign object used? We know Sadam did, we have the video tapes. Hundreds of them. Even more interesting I haven't even heard of accusations of rape of anyone in US custody? Not to say it didn't happen, but the MSM has been really solid at making up stories, (Koran's and toilets) but I haven't heard one of these yet.

And those references to the Korean War and the Vietnam war, just garbage. They never happened. John McCain is lying!! Typical Republican.

GHWB didn't have approval from the UN to take Bagdad. You remember the UN you demanded we petition before acting, on whose approval meant everything. That UN?

The comparison of a life vs. an American life makes it assinine? Okey Dokey. Sounds like a measure of violence based on the number of deaths in a given region. But we are clearly not on the same sheet of music. I think the assinine aspect lies in the fact that there were 35 murders in Detroit in the month of January alone.
 

Haut Medoc

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The way the "facts" & comparisons are presented make it GUANO!
I agree with the last statement, that's why we need gun control!
Befo' them Motownians wipe themselves out! d:).....JK
 

Haut Medoc

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OK, let me say this.....
The comparison criteria is flawed.....
IOW, apples & oranges....JK
 

Kwas

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Pointer, you are right. HM has no idea of what he is saying. It is just more made-up BS from the left wing liberal wackos. Is it any wonder that they can't win elctions? One lie after another.
 

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Haut said:
Combat related deaths?
So, I guess that any Iraqi who dies does not count by your standards...
:.....JK

He wasn't counting the casualties from the Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese. etc...why do you want the Iraqis' counted too? To make the #'s lean towards the way you want them?
If we total ALL the dead from WWII, Vietnam, etc.. you'll lose your argument by an even larger margin I bet.
 

QC

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GUANO is a valuable resource to some . . .
 

Haut Medoc

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:=
Hard to believe that some of your Republican minds just can't see the flaw of the comparison.......
Minds like steel traps, I say........
Well, off to work......
:love:
 

Haut Medoc

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Yes, QC....
The Bush lovers can't seem to get enough!:)
 
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