The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ha
no way could anyone sneak in a nuke.

Too late Rodbolt. The CIA has proof that there is already at least one of Russias long lost suitcase nukes already in our country. They had 23 outstanding, and found 20. 3 are still missing. Again, at least one is believed to be already here.

Something like 90% of all cargo coming into this country isn't checked in any way. Not to mention, shipping the individual parts and not the whole is much easier.

I actually should not have stated those facts, as they were given to me by someone with high up military security clearance. Oh well. I will go to my grave withholding my source.

However, here is a website talking about that. Note it's date, and that ol' W wasn't president then.

http://www.acronym.org.uk/dd/dd19/19nukes.htm

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

sure
just do some fact checking on the myth of a suitcase nuke.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

If someone tried and succeed in getting an illegal toothbrush in this country there are those would blame President Bush.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

what I worry more about than the mythical suitcase nuke is the amount of real nukes and nuke materials and technology that Russia lost when it suffered an economical collapse after 10 years of a futile war in afghanistan.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

sure
just do some fact checking on the myth of a suitcase nuke.

Believe me, my source knows more about Russia and the ongoing cold war then you will ever know.

Don't worry about Russia, they didn't lose anything. They only made it look like they dismantled their nukes, when in reality they only moved them around the country to make it look like they were gone.

With Putin as president, the cold war is heating up fast, believe me.

Here is a quote from the website I linked to in my previous post. Mythical? Yea, right. Maybe in your little candyland, but in the real world, they are very real.

Also on 22 September, Alexander Yablokov, former advisor to the President on environmental issues, made clear that the weapons Lebed referred to had been produced - though he did not say he agreed that some might be missing. Speaking on the NTV television channel, Yablokov stated: "I talked to those who did those bombs. And I know that they exist." Yablokov had earlier made this claim in a letter, dated 9 September, in the weekly newspaper Novaya Gazeta: "The statement by Alexander Lebed concerning suitcases with nuclear bombs is definitely not groundless."

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ok almighty king. you really should team up with king goerge and his court clowns.

 

[POINTER94]

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Quote: when it suffered an economical collapse after 10 years of a futile war in afghanistan.

Priceless. |O

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Pointer, don't you love when facts cause the left to become namecallers? I know I sure do!

8)8)8)

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

ok, I am waiting on GW to prove Iran actually has a nuke.
I guess if he says it its just gotta be true.

GW has never said Iran HAS nukes, just that the evidence shows that they are trying to get them... don't twist things, I know you are better informed than this.


The US really has no fear from Iran and if the Isrealis actually thought Iran had something the smoke would be our first inclination that the Isreali air force was back in action.

Also not the real truth, Israel is very torn internally because of what they perceive as a lack of support from the US because of what our Congress is doing.


if Iran actually had a delivery system maybe I would be more concerned.

Iran is getting ready to launch a 300 KG satellite into orbit.... sounds like a delivery system to me.


I like the fact that the sauds have stepped in economically.
and if the sauds,even though we should have attacked them instead of Iraq, can pull it off it will take out the govt in Venezuela and Nicaragua and bolivia all at the same time.

I like that too, and the Saudis can defiantly pull it off. The Saudis could drop the price down to $5.00 a barrel and still make a profit while Iran, at that price would be losing around $10.00 a barrel, not to mention the $1.20 a gallon subsidy for domestic consumption.


but if we need to fight Iran all I can do is pray we do it with the next administration not the current.
so far they bungled 2 for 2 all by themselves and I see no reason they wont botch number 3.
at least the next administration will go in with an unkown track record.

Pure politically biased BS.
#1. There is no reason for us to "fight" Iran with "boots on the ground"... air power can do everything that needs to be done.
#2. What wars have been botched?

the other issue is a future one.
if we use tactical nukes in 07 what stops Russia or China,or pakistan or India from doing the same 5 years from now claiming its in their national security intrest even though it may not be in ours.
once the precedence is set and the genie is out it will be impossible to but back.
at this point we have fair relations with other nuke nations, doesnt mean it willstay that way.
couple that with the fact that Russia and China are not going to be happy with a nuke being dropped that close to their border things may get out of hand.
I would really hate to see the russians or the chinese supply and support Iran militarily after a nuke strike.
right now china sees Iran as not only an energy supplier but a buffer,similar to north korea being a buffer.
so its a lot more complex than I realize and most likly more complex than Rice or Bush realize.
and its the common folk in the middle on all sides that will die.

The only mention of nukes has been if Israel does the job. If we do it we’d just use bunker busters on the under ground facilities. No matter how deep they are, you can dig down 150' or so with each bomb.... less on concrete and steel reinforced targets, but 10 in train? If the target is deeper than that the shock waves would collapse the entrance or exit.... same as detroying the target.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

As a side note. I wonder if Israel has received a care package from The US recently, and if that is why we just sent another Carrier Group to the region?

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Crunchzilla, you are absolutely right. We are sending an additional carrier group to that region right now. The reason being we are tired of Iran interfering in Iraq, and with a little more provocation we'll take the fight to Iran.

And no, we don't need boots on the ground in Iran. Cruncher again you are correct. Israel told us they don't have the conventional might to take out the underground facilities. We, however, can keep it conventional and still take them out. That's why its up to us.

And for our ahem, rodbolt, can you get into the classified gov't computers? Neither can I. My source did right in front of me, bypassing about a half dozen warning pop-up's stating it was a secure gov't computer. I read the information with my own eyes with him doing the mouse-clicking. I don't make stuff up. If it's an opinion I will clearly state that. If it's fact I will back it up best I can from non-secure websites.

Custombycrunch, is it just me, or do the dems really want to appease those who wish to kill them? What happened to the JFK democrats, the ones who stood up to Russia and said "Move those missiles out of Cuba now!" Now, with rodbolt making the coffee, we'd be in talks with Russia, appeasing them at every turn as to not upset the world as we know it. After all, we didn't have any proof Russia would launch.......

 

[treedancer]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote crunch

#2. What wars have been botched?

Misstatement or typo?:$

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote crunch

#2. What wars have been botched?

Misstatement or typo?:$

Maybe a different view than you have?

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Crunchzilla, you are absolutely right. We are sending an additional carrier group to that region right now. The reason being we are tired of Iran interfering in Iraq, and with a little more provocation we'll take the fight to Iran.

And no, we don't need boots on the ground in Iran. Cruncher again you are correct. Israel told us they don't have the conventional might to take out the underground facilities. We, however, can keep it conventional and still take them out. That's why its up to us.

And for our ahem, rodbolt, can you get into the classified gov't computers? Neither can I. My source did right in front of me, bypassing about a half dozen warning pop-up's stating it was a secure gov't computer. I read the information with my own eyes with him doing the mouse-clicking. I don't make stuff up. If it's an opinion I will clearly state that. If it's fact I will back it up best I can from non-secure websites.

Custombycrunch, is it just me, or do the dems really want to appease those who wish to kill them? What happened to the JFK democrats, the ones who stood up to Russia and said "Move those missiles out of Cuba now!" Now, with rodbolt making the coffee, we'd be in talks with Russia, appeasing them at every turn as to not upset the world as we know it. After all, we didn't have any proof Russia would launch.......

Hey Water or Crunch, Just a question: Those small nukes need lots of constant maintence to remain operative don't they? I believe I have read that more then once somewhere. That would seem to present a problem for who ever had one stored for a while wouldn't it? A question not a statement. JR

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Those small nukes need lots of constant maintence to remain operative don't they? I believe I have read that more then once somewhere. That would seem to present a problem for who ever had one stored for a while wouldn't it?

Can't think of any reason why they would, but I'm no expert on them either.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Those small nukes need lots of constant maintence to remain operative don't they? I believe I have read that more then once somewhere. That would seem to present a problem for who ever had one stored for a while wouldn't it?

Can't think of any reason why they would, but I'm no expert on them either.

All "non gun type" nukes, (ie: critical mass of enriched Uranium) need some maintenence, (radioactive decay has nasty side effects like gamma rays n' all; that is very hard on stuff), but those small ones need lots of it. I heard an expert on Michael Medved's show talk about that for an hour a while back, and I looked up some of his stuff at the time seemed very credible to me. Just don't know where to find it now. JR ps the half life of Plutonium is 10,000 years or so, and the device would still make one heck of a dirty bomb.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

and thats why I worry way more about a dirty bomb that uses conventional explosives to distribute the radioactive or biological payload.
and yes the pesky russians fought a losing war in afghanistan that the CIA funded on the US side. eventually the russian economy, already weak ,collapsed under the weight of the added military expenditures.
so far the official US estimates of the botched wars have cost the US taxpayer over 400 Billion, the estimate to continue the debacle is another 5 to 6 Billion over the next 3 years.
like I keep saying,most of us that actually tried to keep up to date on mid east affairs in the 80's and 90's knew Iraq was not involved in the 9/11 massacre nor did Iraq posses nukes or bio's and most the chemical weapons we sold them in the 80's were mostly degraded and inert.
however the money trail led back to where? saudi arabia via UAE banking.
our 2 bestest buds according to some folks.
seems most the terror cell that dreamed up the 9/11 thing were from saudi arabia and all the funding was from the sauds according to the 9/11 commission reports.
so tell me again why we attacked Iraq?
attacking Iraq in 03 I did not support and still dont, I would have supported an attack on saudi arabia.
and once Donald rumsfeld made the attack plans public and said we would be welcomed as liberators I knew the attack was doomed in the long run.
the actual military stratigists had been fired or transfered and you just cannot wage war on the cheap.
all the political leaders were warned that 130,000 troops was simply not enough and most asked for at least 350,000 so the main force could topple saddam and the secondary force secure the border states.
so yes this ifated so called war was doomed from the start. can we win,depends on your definition of winning.
can we lose? depends on what the objective is. seems its changed so much its hard to keep up with what the actual objective is.
so yes I do support the troops,no we cant simply leave. however we cant simply stay either. and I really dont see 21,000 more troops as an answer. maybe another 150,000 but we cannot seal the US border I dont expect this administration could seal the Iraq borders either.
same as they cannot find a 6'6" dude in the desert.

 

[Plainsman]

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Rod, if you don't understand it by now, with everything that has been wrote, typed, linked, said, reported, neewscliped, newsreeled and repeated over and over and over agin, you never will. So why keep asking? Unless your ready to take the blinder off, why keep asking? If you had evrything in front of you I doubt it you would see it. And don't ask me to prove it, it's been done to many times and time again. You hate President Bush that is the root of your blinders and anger, IMHO.

Eric

 

[rodbolt]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

pliansmen
once again your fundamentaly wrong or maybe just mental, they do make medications for it though.
I dont hate Bush at all. he has actually made me a lot of money in various markets.
the war policy was and is basically flawed and he was told of the flaws before march of 03.
you should also read Lt.gen william Odoms testimony before the senate dated jan 18 07.
I dont agree with all his points ,I still think had Powell had the authority to commit a min of 350K troops it may have been somewhat different.
but most of the retired officers testimony is correct no matter who you are backing.
kinda like my cousintrying to build an outboard on the cheap, only burned 3 pistons in a row before he found the cause.
had he spent the cash upfron not only would the project been a sucess he would not have spent 6 months off the water.
by attempting a war on the cheap and not commiting the full attention to any objective the result was predictable.
but read that senate testimony by Odom and see what ya think. I doubt it would enlighten you as it tends to use big words and a couple of latin phrases.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Plainsman

Rod, if you don't understand it by now, with everything that has been wrote, typed, linked, said, reported, neewscliped, newsreeled and repeated over and over and over agin, you never will. So why keep asking? Unless your ready to take the blinder off, why keep asking? If you had evrything in front of you I doubt it you would see it. And don't ask me to prove it, it's been done to many times and time again. You hate President Bush that is the root of your blinders and anger, IMHO.


And I might add, that you could just look in the mirror at the same statement to yourself Eric,just substitute Eric where you have put Rod.