The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

[treedancer]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote crunch

That is, at best, a poor "strawman" argument.

Let's try this.... you have an infection... a sore tooth that is starting to smell and you are noticing other signs... heart palpitations, "milky" urine, heavy sweating w/ normal activity, and lots of pain in your tooth and gum...

What is your diagnosis Doctor?... and what will provide relief?


Not really meant as a straw man argument, heard on news that he had a serious infection and that is the last I’ve heard of him. Been in the area numerous times but was always armed with more than a ballpoint pen.

Now to your question.

Infected tooth; looks like to me two choices, choice one, pull the infected tooth choice two, antibiotics and root canal. Way to late too think about the advantages of flossing. If the tooth is pulled do you put in a false tooth? Seems that is being tried, don’t seem to be working to well, not enough support to hold the new tooth up. Seems that we would need plenty of anti rejection drugs if we tried to perform a root canal.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Infected tooth; looks like to me two choices, choice one, pull the infected tooth

Ok so far Doc...

two, antibiotics and root canal. Way to late too think about the advantages of flossing. If the tooth is pulled do you put in a false tooth? Seems that is being tried, don’t seem to be working to well, not enough support to hold the new tooth up. Seems that we would need plenty of anti rejection drugs if we tried to perform a root canal.

Hey; it's only one tooth... why go into all that other BS.

Pull it and a bit of anti-biotic and you are good to go.... a full spectrum would be best so as to not have another infestation.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Look TD,

There is never going to be a "meeting of the minds" between Islam and the rest of us... nada, none, zilch.

They want us dead and there is no 2 ways about it,,, you understand? Do I have to link more links? Is there anything you don't understand about Jihad and your place in it?

Do you really, really think you can talk the die-hard suicide bomber out of killing you and your family, and enjoying his/her 72 virgins?

Answer true Tree, no more BS... answer true.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

I was told that a pact was signed between Iran, Russia and China, that in the event one was attacked, the other two would come to their aid. That's my only worry, is that we would start fighting the Russians and Chinese, something we can't do with conventional weapons alone. The Russians have supurb weapons for war. That would be a holocaust.

Another concern I have, the entire reason I started this post, is because if Israel is nuked, it will respond with nuclear weapons. It is estimated to have enough nuclear might to kill an estimated 100,000,000 muslims. I've heard the radicals say that is an acceptable amount of casualties to have Israel wiped off the map for good.

I still think we should do a limited attack on their nuke facilities only. Their will be no civilian loss and we could justify it to the world with Iran president's own words, "I wish to wipe Israel off the map."

Crunchzilla, I think most libs on this board really don't understand the hoops a muslim will go through to kill us. They really don't understand there is no talking, no negotiating, no bribing, no Clintonizing, no Hillaryizing, no Carterizing, nothing anybody can do to make these people happy. They want us dead. Period. When you have an enemy willing to die himself to kill you, it's who accomplishes his mission first comes out the victor. You can't talk to someone strapping a vest to his own 5yo to try to blow up a US food convoy bringing food to starving Iraqis.

When will you libs wake up?

 

[treedancer]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote crunch

Do you really, really think you can talk the die-hard suicide bomber out of killing you and your family, and enjoying his/her 72 virgins?


No, and it don’t matter what you or I think read this.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2002329,00.html#article_continue

Quote waterinfuel


I still think we should do a limited attack on their nuke facilities only. Their will be no civilian loss and we could justify it to the world with Iran president's own words, "I wish to wipe Israel off the map."

How many civilian deaths in constitutes zero. As in none.

Quote waterinfuel

we could justify it to the world with Iran president's own words, "I wish to wipe Israel off the map."

Part of your post made a little sense until I came across this. If it wasn’t so tragic it would almost be laughable. What a strange statement, almost as strange as the person that you quoted.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Very interesting read gentlemen. Interesting that Tree thinks we could so easily beat Iran. I don't know if Tree is a lib or what he is, but most Libs and Democrats will try to get us into a mess so they can profit from it when they turn it into a defeat once we are committed. A lesson they learned very well with Vietnam. The reason I fear Iran more then many countries, is their proud very long history of being very tough, and generally the rulers of their domain. Many Americans have very little knowledge of history, (not just American but world history as well). That is why Democrats can spout off that: George Bush's economy is worse then the Geat Depression as they did pre 2004 when they knew the economy was recovering from the dot bomb; 9-11: excesses and hit. The MSM is partial to Democrats' objectives that is why they are less critical of obvious garbage out of Democrats then if a 'mean spirited' Republican would make similar obviously false statements. Most Muslims know their own version of history very well, they tend to mentally dwell in a period 100s of years ago when the Islamic world was technoligically and socially superior to the West. That is why OBL and his henchmen lecture us about issues on the Iberian peninsula 500 years ago, (and some of my Muslim friends do the exact same thing). Modern America is very strong economicaly and militarily, but due to our very poor public schools that emphisize victimhood of special interests rather then actual history, math and science, we are becoming a very soft population where one of our Great political parties works very hard to assure permanent victims totally dependent on moma government, who only vote Democrat. The freedoms we cherish will allow our enemies from within and without to hammer our already weak will, and for that reason I feel attacking Iran would be a big problem for us. Korea, Veitnam were also countries where their peoples were very tough over their respective histories. The existing military arsinals are less important then the will of the country. China, Russia and France will adequately supply any of our current or future enemies, as they always have. Sadam had huge military advantages over Iran when he started an eight year war. and Iraq was very lucky to survive, (with our help as the lefties love to emphisize that embarrasment and place TOTAL blame on us as the left always does). I think either Israel takes out the facilities or we test JB's theory of Iran's behavior. We have a lot of Americans that very badly want us to be defeated, (just look at the boob tube), and we really can't afford to make other comitments, that would be even a bigger challange then we currently face. Hope I'm wrong here, but I don't think I am. Respectfully JR

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote crunch

Do you really, really think you can talk the die-hard suicide bomber out of killing you and your family, and enjoying his/her 72 virgins?


No, and it don’t matter what you or I think read this.

link

"There's anxiety everywhere you turn," said a diplomat familiar with the work of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna. "The Europeans are very concerned the **** could hit the fan."

LOL.... I didn't think Diplomates talked like that.

 

[treedancer]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Quote Omeer

We have a lot of Americans that very badly want us to be defeated, (just look at the boob tube,


Good post Omeer, so rather than bog down this post, I started a new thread where maybe we can address some of the concerns that you have stated.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Hey Tree, why not go ahead and let us know what you think we should do to stop Iran from starting a nuclear holocaust, since my idea of preemptive attack, that is attack before being nuked, is a bad idea.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Tree probably won’t answer you so let me give it a shot... tree can come back and blast me if he disagrees.

Pretty much what we are doing now... moving another “battle group” into the area and oking “kill or detain Iranians” in Iraq. Diplomatic and world pressure thru sanctions and deals with our allies to stop their nuclear program, the deal Cheney made with Saudi Arabia to wage “financial warfare” through low oil prices so that Iran can’t fund their games through out the Mid East and cause hardship to the Iranian population.

I think all of that will be negated by the growing movement within Israel to take matters into their own hands, ie, a pre-emptive strike, and unfortunately, unless we have shipped them a care package of conventional bunker busters, it will be nuclear.

I read a lot of blogs, op-ed, and columns from Israel... plus the feedback from the people, and it runs 80 to 90 % pro first strike... I’ve seen no mention of a care package from US so they are all talking nuclear..... very scarey.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

The beauty of this is if we provide them (Isreal) with bunker buster conventional weapons we can paint President Bush as a war monger. And if we don't provide them with bunker buster conventional weapons we can paint President Bush as a nuclear war monger.

I love these deals.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

It's just like if President Bush had not called for more troops... did you see this?

For many in the Senate, they were for a surge of troops in Iraq before they were against it.
"We don't have enough troops in Iraq," Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat, said in 2005.
In 2004, he told NBC's Tim Russert some things he believes "very deeply."
"Number one, we cannot fail," Mr. Kerry said. "I've said that many times. And if it requires more troops in order to create the stability that eliminates the chaos, that can provide the groundwork for other countries, that's what we have to do."
He no longer believes that now. He is among at least a dozen Democratic senators who in the past have called for more troops in Iraq but now support a resolution condemning President Bush's plan to do just that. Many Republicans who voted for the war now plan to support a no-confidence resolution, including Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, who in the past had warned that the war would be a long, tough slog and that Americans should "speak with one voice."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070131-121249-1084r.htm

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Let me get this straight, he voted for more troops before he voted against them. This guy is worthless.

 

[crunch]

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Read the whole article... Kerry wasn't the only one.... amazing how adaptable these Democrats are.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Hey, there are democrats I can see eye to eye with. (elected) But this guy makes me sick to my stomach. How anyone could have voted for him is beyond me. How someone this transparent could be taken seriously and even re-elected time after time to the senate is enough to make my skin crawl.

I don't like Charlie Rangle but I would be happy to have a discussion with him, have dinner with him. Kerry, I wouldn't want to eat in the same restaurant with him in it. He represents everything I loathe about politicians. And is so stupidly obtuse to it.

With that said, I think Joe Biden is getting a raw deal about his Obama comments.

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

You have a stronger stomach than I do, but all of this should have a thread of it’s own.

Where do you think the problem with Iran will go?

Edit: Biden opened his mouth and said things no politician should say, at least for the record... and shot himself in the foot.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

I have to say I find it interesting how our elected officials are comfortable saying what we WON'T do regarding Iran. Meanwhile I am seeing news reports that shows Iran directly involved and engaging our troops in Iraq. So, if you are to believe our democratic officials, I would be sending as many troops, terrorists, children bombers, etc into Iraq to kill as many US troops as possible if I were running Iran. I would notice that our enemies are cowards and have a vested interest in their own troops losing the war. Therefore I would go nuts.

Now if we are to take your standard left wing nut, and their rhetoric of how knocking out 'MILITARY" targets would inflect civilian deaths, I would have to have a brain the size of a pea, and I would have to not do anything based on this logic. Since I tend to use common sense I would provide logistic support and ordinance to the Isreali's to knock out the installations. I would provide landing privledges if necessary to their pilots, and air cover for any airspace we hold. I would encourage them NOT to use nuclear weapons. I would have no problem having them take out Iraqi air power in the air and on the ground. I would provide whatever cover we could from the communists in the UN and invoke our veto for any resolution against Isreal.

But first I would encourage a dialoge... zzz

 

[crunch]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

I see we are basically on the same page, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if in the coming weeks we see failures in the Iranian air defense radar networks, unexplained failures in their new Russian supplied anti-air defenses missile batteries, and “Chernobyl type” failures in their nuclear program... all deniable, and sorry Charlie.

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

Let me get this straight, he voted for more troops before he voted against them. This guy is worthless.

That actually surprises you?

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: The time has come...bomb Iran's nuke facilities!

The beauty of this is if we provide them (Isreal) with bunker buster conventional weapons we can paint President Bush as a war monger. And if we don't provide them with bunker buster conventional weapons we can paint President Bush as a nuclear war monger.

I love these deals.

The natural cosequences of inept leadership......:$:%