The U.S. Postal Service has got to be kidding

Pony

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LOL, I'm glad I stopped trying to fight my way through this one.
 

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Pony said:
LOL, I'm glad I stopped trying to fight my way through this one.

Ahhhhhhh.... come on.... it has to be better than golf... PM me, I'd really like to know more about you.
 

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What do you think it would take for all the non radical Islamists to help the rest of the world rid civilization of the radical Islamists? Radical Islamists are what equates to terrorists. Any suggestions?
 

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custombycrunch said:
Say, does anyone think that crunch's little annimated flag of surrender is cute?

There you go again, distorting everything you read to fit your own agenda.... I'm saying you are full of Bull Shist... and yea, I think it's kinda cute, and humiliating for you.

I know what the letters B and S stand for...and I know that expression to be the last resort of a person who knows he's wrong.

I'm not saying you are a bigot...I'm saying that the notion of one Japanese American family's prosperity as evidence that the camps were not harmful to Japanese American families fifty years ago, is bigotry. It's saying that one person is the same person as another person. It's ignoring the fact that they are all individuals. It's just an opinion. If you disagree, why not just say so and give your reasons?
 

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jtexas said:
custombycrunch said:
Say, does anyone think that crunch's little annimated flag of surrender is cute?

There you go again, distorting everything you read to fit your own agenda.... I'm saying you are full of Bull Shist... and yea, I think it's kinda cute, and humiliating for you.

I know what the letters B and S stand for...and I know that expression to be the last resort of a person who knows he's wrong.

I'm not saying you are a bigot...I'm saying that the notion of one Japanese American family's prosperity as evidence that the camps were not harmful to Japanese American families fifty years ago, is bigotry. It's saying that one person is the same person as another person. It's ignoring the fact that they are all individuals. It's just an opinion. If you disagree, why not just say so and give your reasons?

Not of a person who thinks he's wrong...rather a person who figures he won't waste his time with an explaination to someone that distorts, twists, etc. etc. etc.
 

crunch

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Firestar, you are amazingly perceptive.
 

Firestar

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Thank you. I appreciate that coming from a rational thinking intellectual.8)

BTY I wish I knew how to run up that flag. I would use it for a quick response to some posting here.
 

Haut Medoc

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You two are not from originally from Peoria by any chance, are you?
 

Firestar

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Chicago born and raised. Retired from the CFD.
 

crunch

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I'm from Oregon, where the men are men and the sheep are nervous.
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Willie Coyote, I see the Road Runner got you all worked up. Your huffing and puffing however, won't do you any good. Rational thinking may solve the problem. For once I like to see you get that pesky little bird.

Same theme but unrelated, Iboats is a internet based business accessible world wide. The probability of an outsider reading Iboats forum is infinite. Having said that, your posts/wording are a bit extreme. Suggesting that we nuke a country for no reason other than their religious affiliation wether it is Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Apple or Orange is unacceptable. Nor does blaming the mass for the misconduct of the few. Your opinion parallel that of the extremists you are condemning. Touche! Such comment does nothing but add fuel to the fire that has been burning for sometime. The consequences maybe loss business to Iboats and further hatred toward us. It's time to burry the hatchet and start anew.

Let us not cloud the fact. Let us not give the world the benefit of the doubt. We are the most generous group of people on the planet. Sadly all that means nothing if we make careless mistake we have no intention of following thru specially on a public forum such as this one.

I don't expect anyone to be perfect but if we live each moment completely, the future will take care itself. So before you throw the switch on that dynamites, make sure you are far and clear. It might blow up in your face.

Tag, you're IT. Now close your eyes, count to ten and NO peeking. Come on children let's go hide. 8)
 

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Sheesh people, if I have to explain everything around here imma start charging for my service. I will take no less than $300 per hour per post. Can you hear me Iboats! 8)
 

crunch

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Here's 2 cents, about what it's worth.
 

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A stamp depicting a religious faith doesn't harm anyone. Certainly, you don't have to buy it. Myself, I wouldn't give a solid human waste about it. If for whatever reason, you find it offensive, then the problem maybe from within. At this point, education is your only refuge.

My opinion, you decide. Happy boating! 8)
 

woodrat

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Firestar said:
Thank you. I appreciate that coming from a rational thinking intellectual.8)

BTY I wish I knew how to run up that flag. I would use it for a quick response to some posting here.

Is that what you would use to respond to the my comments about your "total loss of life in offending coutries" comment?

If airbursting a nuke (or a fake nuke) over a middle eastern capital to scare the terrorists into surrender counts for rational thinking, I'd hate to see what you consider irrational.

The BS flag is just a lame excuse for rational discourse.

"Not of a person who thinks he's wrong...rather a person who figures he won't waste his time with an explaination to someone that distorts, twists, etc. etc. etc."

I didn't distort or twist what you said about killing everyone in certain middle eastern countries. I QUOTED it, and you have remained silent on the subject ever since. I bet you do wish you had a little BS flag to use as a response.
 

crunch

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"If airbursting a nuke (or a fake nuke) over a middle eastern capital to scare the terrorists into surrender counts for rational thinking, I'd hate to see what you consider irrational."

Scenario: Another event similar to 9/11happens (and it will) and the US finally gets tough on the war on terrorism. We tell the world anyone caught supporting terror will suffer the consequences, then we trace money to Iran, Syria, etc..... pick one.

Instead of just nukeing them out of hand, do the “air burst" to get their attention..... then trace the money again.... see where this is going?

I believe any Government would stop their support of terrorism if they KNEW they would be destroyed for it.

What's your solution? Or are you here just to disrupt?
 

woodrat

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We already told the world that, and then we immediately sent most of our resources off in a mostly unrelated direction. And afghanistan, where the supposed 911 attackers were trained, largely fell off the radar in terms of what we were doing about terrorism. And last I looked at the news, it is getting hot in afghanistan again, and most of our resources are elsewhere.

And besides, I don't think that governments that support terrorists are the only thing that keeps them going. Rattling the nuclear sabre is only going to stir the hornet's nest, even if all the governments in question rolled over and wet themselves like you think they would.

Solutions/directions to go?

ONE:
Stop supporting terrorists and tyrannical regimes ourselves. Of course, that has been the backbone of US foreign policy for decades. The Saudis are our pals, Saddam was our pal, heck, even OBL himself was our pal when he was fighting the Russians to a standstill in Afghanistan. Israel, love it or not, is guilty as a state of many crimes against the Palestinians, and has blown off several UN resolutions themselves. Yet we align ourselves blindly and unilaterally with Israel's position, every time, even when it is wrong. Of course Israel's opponents are going to grow to hate us, for keeping israel propped up with military and financial aid, and all those people are naturally going to see the US as their enemy as well. Those are just a few examples; there are many more. But the bottom line is: We helped to make Osama Bin Laden what he is today and we keep on supporting the terrorist regimes by being addicted to their oil. These people were nomadic animal herders just 100 years ago! Our thirst for oil at any price is what gives them leverage over us at all.

TWO:
Get the hell off the middle eastern oil teat! It's going to have to happen sooner or later anyway. We can't hope to control all the oil regions in the world by military force. So far we can't even keep the lid on one small portion of it. And there are a whole lot of people in China and India with a newfound thirst for middle eastern oil as well. This is going to mean serious sacrifice and change at home, so that right there means it won't happen anytime soon. It will only happen when we are forced into a corner and then it will hurt even more.

We should have been working hard on this problem since the seventies, but we haven't really done a damn thing about it. Read this page at NHTSA about CAFE standards and weep: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/cafe/overview.htm

These are some seriously lame fuel economy figures. Note that the standards were LOWERED from 86-89, and then in 90 raised back to the 85 standards where they have remained ever since. In other words, they have been the same or LOWER for over 20 years. Note that light trucks have even lower standards, and if your truck is over 8500 GVWR it is exempt altogether. I can tell you that my 92 diesel dodge 4x4-which is exempt by it's weight class- still can beat the CAFE standards for lighter trucks all the way up through the 96 standard. So it can be done, even in a heavy american truck, but it mostly is NOT being done and not taken seriously at all. There is no technical reason why most of the US fleet isn't getting 30-45 MPG.

Of course, many conservatives argue that we shouldn't have ANY CAFE standards, but then they are all over going to war at a cost of untold billions of dollars and tens of thousands of ruined lives so that we can continue to drive wasteful vehicles.

Short term, in Iraq:

well, that is a cluster%$!# that most of you here supported, can't you come up with anything better than fake nukes to scare the heathens? That would have only worked if we were the only ones who had them.

I'm pretty torn on this one, because I don't see any reasonable way out. That is precisely why I was oppsed to starting this brush fire in the first place. One half of me says that we should just cut our losses there and get the hell out. The the longer we remain, the worse it will get and the more terrorists there will be to vex us. Of course, I know that would make a new, different kind of mess, and would solve very little of the problem and the party that is advocating that has got NOTHING for proposals or long term objectives besides political power, so that path can't really be trusted. The other half says that we should stop fooling around with War Lite and get that mess under control even if it means committing more troops. However, I don't trust the people in charge right now to do it right, nor does there seem to be any definable, achievable goal over there except tread water and hope for jesus to return. I never did trust this administration and they've given me nothing to change that opinion. I sure don't trust them with an escalation of this war.

If this is too disruptive for you, well, you've got lots of friends here that probably feel the same way. Maybe you could all run up the little group BS flag after everything I post.
 

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"Stop supporting terrorists and tyrannical regimes ourselves."

This almost doesn't deserve any comment at all, dragging up old history has nothing to do with today. Our support of Israel not only makes good political sense, it's the moral thing to do.... and if I have to explain that to you, this conversation is over.

"Get the hell off the middle eastern oil teat!"

I asked you once if you had stopped driving.... gotten yourself off the "oil teat". Your answer was, of course, no...

I agree it would be nice if all the new cars got 50 MPG, it would be nice if we had alternate sources of energy, it would nice if "we could all get along" (Rodney King).... but nothing of what you wrote is a solution, just a feel good rant.

Outline a doable, in the real world solution... I won't respond again to inane, philosophical, high ideals.
 

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gee, I've responded to all of your inane, ridiculous, immature and totally unrealistic solutions...

have I stopped driving? No. Is that the end of the story? No. We switched my wife's 20 MPG wagon to a 45 MPG geo. As soon as my job does not require me to own a van, later this fall, then that rig is also gone and will be replaced with a 30-40MPG rig. I have started to set up a small biodiesel plant to feed my truck. I stopped working on the road as much and have been working within 3 miles of home during the summer for three years. I had intended to do more bicycle commuting this year, but it didn't happen. Maybe next year.

At this house, I have grid electricity, but the place i lived before this was powered by solar panels, backed up by a small generator in the winter when it rained for weeks. My fridge was propane, and it used very little of that. I hope to get my well off the grid in the next 12 months, powered by solar. I get most of my produce now from a local farm, and most of meat comes from my farm, or neighbor's farms, or game that friends give me, or fish that I catch. I admit that I've done better at this in the past, but right now we work alot to pay a steep mortgage and have school age kids, and a low impact lifestyle in a rural setting is a little harder to pull off right now, but I am making real improvements all the time.

None of this is inane, or un-workable. It all works just fine, and I sacrifice little in the way of typical american comforts, and use a lot less oil and electricity than the typical american commuter household in the burbs. Your dismissal of all of that as unworkable and simply feel-good just proves my point that Americans will never change until they are forced to by circumstance and many, like you, will taunt and denigrate those who are trying to make positive change. High ideals? No, a simple recipe for survival in an age of less oil and more people around the world competing for it. What is your solution? Well so far, all bluster and military sabre rattling that the world can plainly see that we can't back up without resorting to nukes. Which you are apparently ready to do.

None of those changes would just be "nice". 50 MPG cars aren't just pie in the sky, they have been possible for decades and to have used more of that technology, sooner, would have made a real contribution to the national security you claim to be so concerned about. Instead, you mock the very idea of energy conseration, while being held hostage to a hornets nest of politics in the middle east that inevitably led us into a protracted, messy war. A war which didn't need to happen if we had taken the oil embargo of the seventies as the serious wake up call that it was.

All do-able and all real world. Americans in general and you specifically seem to lack the imagination to see just how do-able it really is. And for that, we will pay and pay and pay and then ultimately run out of oil (or oxygen, whichever comes first) anyway. What a waste!
 

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Ok.... so you are Green, and I applaud you for that.... how do you feel about using nuclear power to help "get us off the oil teat"? (notice I didn't say "think")

Still, I see nothing about solutions for today as regards terrorism.
 
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