The underside of free enterprise...

generator12

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The lady took her-three-year old 4-cylinder Camry to the largest Toyota dealer in Wisconsin for its 36000 mile checkup. They quoted her some $550 in services for this. She balked and told me about it.

I looked at the list they had given her and saw items that were clearly excessive. I went to them with the list and asked why some of the listed items were on it and not on Toyota's recommended services for 36K. "This is what we recommend to keep your Toyota running properly". I asked about the item "Replace spark plugs with extended mileage units", realizing that they're all coming with 100,000 mile plugs. He said, "If they're not the correct ones, we'll install the correct ones". I said, "How much will you deduct if they ARE the correct ones?". "Nothing" was, of course, his answer. I said the $550 was too much for a scheduled maintenance service - replacement of fluids, a few minor adjustments, and - of course - all the "inspections" which were intended to create an even longer list of work that the vehicle "needed". "Hey", he said, " We're not so bad. The others around here are even higher".

"Just do the factory recommended services" I told him. It came to just over $300. (Itself, somewhat excessive, in my opinion.)

Where does a person go with this? The media won't touch it because these guys do a lot of advertising - the whole industry does...!

Disgusting.
 

perchin

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Re: The underside of free enterprise...

The answer is obvious.... but obviously nobody will ever stand up and do anything about anyways so...:rolleyes:

Are you even surprised about this... its a dealership
 

swaycleveland

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Re: The underside of free enterprise...

The lady took her-three-year old 4-cylinder Camry to the largest Toyota dealer in Wisconsin for its 36000 mile checkup. They quoted her some $550 in services for this. She balked and told me about it.

I looked at the list they had given her and saw items that were clearly excessive. I went to them with the list and asked why some of the listed items were on it and not on Toyota's recommended services for 36K. "This is what we recommend to keep your Toyota running properly". I asked about the item "Replace spark plugs with extended mileage units", realizing that they're all coming with 100,000 mile plugs. He said, "If they're not the correct ones, we'll install the correct ones". I said, "How much will you deduct if they ARE the correct ones?". "Nothing" was, of course, his answer. I said the $550 was too much for a scheduled maintenance service - replacement of fluids, a few minor adjustments, and - of course - all the "inspections" which were intended to create an even longer list of work that the vehicle "needed". "Hey", he said, " We're not so bad. The others around here are even higher".

"Just do the factory recommended services" I told him. It came to just over $300. (Itself, somewhat excessive, in my opinion.)

Where does a person go with this? The media won't touch it because these guys do a lot of advertising - the whole industry does...!

Disgusting.


you pass the dealer and go right to TOYOTA they are insane about service.
report the dealer and the person and march that call right up thte line till someone says they will do something. TOYOTA will not only make the dealer aware of the problem they will disapline the dealer if not corrected
 

ezmobee

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My boss just did this with her newish Nissan. She showed me the bill. I couldn't believe it. Some of the charges they didn't even pretend to correspond to actual work! The funniest thing is she doesn't even keep cars. So she's just "takin' care of it for the next guy."

I have a '09 Accord we bought brand new. I studied the maintenance schedule. It really is nothing but oil changes, filters, and tire rotations up till like 90k or more miles. Oh yeah, and they really target women. It is shameful what these dealers (and quick lube places) do with their so-called factory recommended services. Read the manual that came with the car people!
 

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Yep, that stuff bugs the crap out of me. When we had our dealership people would ask why we charged $5 labor for a Lube, Oil, Filter service because the dealer down the road didn't. I would ask, what is the final charge for EVERYTHING at the dealer down the road? inevitably they would admit they were charged and inflated price for parts & oil, $1.50 for a shot of washer fluid, so much for this, and that ... end result, the "free" labor cost them $50 more total bill than our $5 labor. Hmmm ... who do you think won in the end???? Yep, we did on the customers that were repeat and mattered ...

Treat people right and they will come back. Just got a "Free" service voucher from the local GMC dealer. Guess what, I would travel 45 miles to the next closest one than go to the local for free ... I have seen how they operate.
 

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A month ago I got rid of my Sierra and got an Expedition. I'm very happy with my decision, but I will say this. I don't miss that Sierra at all, but I do miss the GM dealer that sold it to me and went well above and beyond time and again to keep my happy. Can't say enough good things about them. Sadly, I realize they represent the exception and not the rule.
 

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Most people do not know this but you can buy an oil change package from most any Dodge, Jeep, or Chrysler dealer at a very reduced rate. We sell the 6 year 24 oil change package that is good on almost any vehicle that is not a diesel for 340.00. that works out to 14.17 a change with the 18 point inspection. Yes you can do it on a ford, toyota, gm, whatever does not take something wierd or out of the ordinary. Our customers love this. They pull in and get a quick change, we wash their car and they get no bill! NOW if they want tires rotated or other service that is extra, but not at a high rate but 15.00 for most cars. We do sell wiper blades installed for the same price as walmart as well. We are a Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Ford store and are proud of it and our community. If you want to buy one of these packages see your local Chrysler dealer. The catch is you have to use them within 6 years and there is no refund if you do not use them all.
 

ezmobee

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Can't say enough good things about them. Sadly, I realize they represent the exception and not the rule.

My local Chevy dealer (small) is also absolutely fantastic. Like you though, I don't miss the horrible lemon Impala that kept me going there all the friggin' time. Congrats on your iboats promotion!
 

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"Ma'am...You are so LUCKY you came in when you did, I dont think (insert part here) would have made it another (insert measure here, distance, day, week, ectera) For only (insert 6 hours labor plus 80% margin on part) we can have you Good as new"




They need to be shot.
 

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you pass the dealer and go right to TOYOTA they are insane about service.
report the dealer and the person and march that call right up thte line till someone says they will do something. TOYOTA will not only make the dealer aware of the problem they will disapline the dealer if not corrected

This is the right answer! We had a small issue with our dealer and our 2010 Lexus. The dealership service department was totally in the wrong and I called them out on it, the "higher ups" at the dealer didn't even care... so I contacted corporate Lexus via email and have sent maybe 6 or 7 emails back and forth about our problem. Hopefully its doing some good.
 

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They're not all bad. My mother recently bought a Trailblazer. Nice little vehicle. When she went in to have the truck inspected and the oil changed before the 30 day dealer warranty had expired.

The Service manager called her the next day to tell her that the Rack and Pinion joint needed to be replaced, an idler pulley was going bad, the front tires needed to be turned around (the detailer had put them back on wrong when they last rotated them, before she bought it), and the oil hadn't been changed before putting it on the lot for sale.

The next words out of the Managers mouth were worth the price of admission. He said, that the work would all be covered by her warranty, and the 100$ deductible would be paid for by the sales department. Since they had allowed her to leave the lot after purchase, without confirming that all service work had been performed prior to the vehicle being sold to her.
In all, her total bill, was the time it took her to drive to the dealership to deliver and pick up the truck for this service.
 

ezmobee

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Me too with Toyota. We had a new '04 Camry. During the whole warranty period we had chronic alignment problems. The car never really "pulled" but it definitely veered. We had it checked out numerous times. The dealer did everything from telling us it was fine was only veering with the curvature of the road :rolleyes: to making us pay for alignments. Well almost immediate after the warranty was up, the steering started chunking a little. Well this time they had a diagnosis for us in about 10 seconds. Intermediate steering shaft: $600. I started researching TSBs and found that darn near every Toyota during that time had the same issue. The dealer was just stringing us along until the warranty period was up. We called Toyota and they called shenanigans on the dealer and made them pay for it.
 

kmarine

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I own two suburbans, a1994 with 325k miles and a 2002 with 250k miles. I have 1 rule. Never go:eek: to a dealer for service.
 

trendsetter240

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You guys have it easy..try sending your car into a BMW dealership for service.:(

If I told you how much it costs to replace spark plugs on a 6 cylinder...well, I'm just too ashamed to even mention it.

When my warranty is up, all maintenance will be performed by myself or a trusted independant mechanic.
 

kenmyfam

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You guys have it easy..try sending your car into a BMW dealership for service.:(

If I told you how much it costs to replace spark plugs on a 6 cylinder...well, I'm just too ashamed to even mention it.

When my warranty is up, all maintenance will be performed by myself or a trusted independant mechanic.

That is one reason I have never considered owning one. 30 years ago a friend of mine bought a 316 BMW, I at the time had a Ford Cortina (this was in England) His service and replacement item cost was double what mine was at best. He ended up trading it due to the high price of keeping it on the road.
 

ezmobee

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I got another beef. Ya know how pretty much every dealer (and I'm mainly refering to new car dealers that also sell used cars) always claims that every one of their cars goes through a "100 point inspection" of this that and other thing before it goes on the lot? Anyone actually believe they do that? I don't. I believe they take this stuff in on trade or pick it up at auction and stick it on the lot and let their 3 month warranty take care of anything wrong with it (that the buyer manages to discover in that time). I've bought two low mileage pre-owned vehicles from dealers that had problems with them right off the bat that could have easily been spotted by any kind of mechanical "inspection."
 

lncoop

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I got another beef. Ya know how pretty much every dealer (and I'm mainly refering to new car dealers that also sell used cars) always claims that every one of their cars goes through a "100 point inspection" of this that and other thing before it goes on the lot? Anyone actually believe they do that? I don't. I believe they take this stuff in on trade or pick it up at auction and stick it on the lot and let their 3 month warranty take care of anything wrong with it (that the buyer manages to discover in that time). I've bought two low mileage pre-owned vehicles from dealers that had problems with them right off the bat that could have easily been spotted by any kind of mechanical "inspection."

Yep. Just went through this with the Expy I bought. Got it home and discovered three days later it was leaking tranny fluid. Turned out to be the transfer case seal. They took care of it, but really? Transmission fluid leak? Clowns. And this was a Ford dealership!:eek: The worst part is they're an hour and a half away. Always sumpin' I guess. Thanks for the congrats ez. Been great educational fun.
 
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