This engine scares the crap out of me.

hoeser

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Have you ever taken on a project which seemed within your reach at first, but when you completed it you just wondered if you did everything "right" and it now seems completely over your head? That's me about now. I just completed the rebuild of the powerhead on my 1984 Evinrude 140 crossflow V4 VRO... to top it off it's not actually mine but it's a friend of mines. I tend to not get as nervous if its my crap I am potentially breaking. The engine basically exploded at the end of last season due - I believe it was carbon related, as a ring got stuck, and eventually broke and consumed an entire cylinder.

This is my first marine engine rebuild and when I took it on I kind of shrugged it off (stupidly...) as one of those "it's just a 2 stroke" things. I've read a a lot of threads here pretty much religiously and followed my manual. I sent the block to be re-sleeved and re-bored... the end result was a .040 on all 4. In the end I've installed 4 new GLM pistons, a new head for the bad side, new bearings at both ends of the connecting rods, new crankshaft seals and new gaskets throughout.

(I'm getting to my question soon, I promise... for now just enjoy story time)

I didn't really realize when I started this how many little caveats there were with these engines, things like the oil hole orientation on the connecting rods for example... and making sure the rod caps are basically flawless. When I eventually put it all back together it all seemed to go a little "too" smoothly. There were a few hang-ups but nothing I would describe as major. I have a pretty decent mechanical skill and my trade I am a IBM AIX (UNIX) system administrator so I have a pretty good attention to detail.

I finished the rebuild yesterday with no spare parts or screws, so I guess thats good. I test fired the engine on muffs and it actually started the first try... also very surprised. I found myself just watching the engine with baited breath waiting for a large bang or clunk or some other catastrophic failure to happen. But it ran well, although the old idle setting seems to be too high for it now? Is this normal? I got it up to temperature and shut it down, I plan on doing the rest of the break in on the water.

This thing scares the crap out of me, I keep expecting it to explode for some reason. I guess my question is, how often do rebuilds go awry and when they do, when does it usually happen? First start? First WOT run?

I guess I just want to put my mind at ease. This thing makes me queasy.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

if you are using the vro, also on the breaking, mix the gas 50/1 so it has the extra breakin oil. if no vro 25/1 on the gas/oil mix, for the breakin. the vro does not know the motor is being broke in. actually on an 84 i would disable the vro and go to premix. there are 2 threads on this subject in the engine faq forum. so far sounds like you did it right.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Yeah... I thought about disabling the VRO but to be honest it's never failed on this engine, it's been really reliable. I would probably replace it before removing it. Right now I'm doing the break-in on a VRO + 50:1 fresh premix 91 octane.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

If it's going to blow because of something you did wrong, it probably won't take long. Like the time I became a believer in using an accurate torque wrench to tighten rod bolts. Those things aren't pretty when sticking through the case.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Haha... that doesn't help my nerves. As far as I know my torque wrench is accurate and I've torqued everything on the high side of the values (32lb for rod bolts). I'd like them to stay inside the crankcase, preferably attached to the rods.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

I wouldn't adjust any idle setting on the muffs, they tend to run a higher RPM on muffs as there's no restriction on the exhaust, they also run a little leaner I believe.

I know that scared feeling you have, I still get it whenever I do something on my engine, I'm always waiting to find out the hard way that I forgot one little thing. I'm never relaxed on my boat, oh well.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

That makes sense about the muffs and the idle. I've reset the idle back to 0, I plan on recalibrating once its in the water anyways. The idle was always picky before the rebuild, the compression wasn't that great. After a few minutes of dry run my compression is reading about 105 across the board, well actually a little bit higher on the bottom port side actually, about 108... but I have a cheapo compression tester.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

You'll be adjusting and adjusting again, and probably once more until your rings set anyway.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Can I expect the engine to idle smoothly right after the rebuild or will that take a bit of break-in before I can get that?
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

you aren't going to name it "Christine" are you? ;)
 

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Since you're already at 108 compression I'd expect you can get good combustion and even idling out of the gate. Compression will go up as the rings seat in. Your combustion charactaristics will change some, but not a lot. I'd expect to be tweaking this and that for the first few hours of run-time. It'll change a little bit more when you get off the break-in mixture.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

If you are not positive about what caused the initial failure, it would be in your best interest to rebuild the carbs as well. Many a engine has been destroyed under the assumption it was a VRO failure or carbon build-up, timing problems or a host of other issues when it was simply lean carburetion due to gummed up high speed jets. You would kick yourself into the next county if the engine unraveled again and you determined it was a lean condition. By all means do a "Link&Sync" procedure that includes idle and wide open throttle timing adjustment, and then adjust the idle mixture and speed with the engine in the water. Disconnect the throttle cable while making idle speed adjustments and make throttle cable adjustment the last thing you do.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Silvertip... the link & sync sounds like a good idea. I recently cleaned the carbs so I don't think that is the case. Can you direct me to a good thread with a link & sync procedure? I am 99.9% sure it was due to carbon as the engine was _never_ decarbed by the owner and he bought it new. I found massive amounts of carbon all over the engine including in the rings of the bad piston.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

im with you on this bud.im about 6 hours into my break-in.had a few ignition part failures and a sheared flywheel key,good luck.
btw, im nervous every time i go out right now
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Isn't being a boater so much fun? My 1979 'Rude 175 has crap compression on one cylinder and next to crap on another. I think it was a horrible engine rebuild as the pistons are all stamped .030 on the top. I'll be tinkering with it since I'm gonna just part it out. I'm dying to know why it failed.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

The link and sync instructions should be in your service manual. Way to go and it sounds like you did a great attention-to-detail job so don't beat yourself up over it too much.
 

hoeser

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

im with you on this bud.im about 6 hours into my break-in.had a few ignition part failures and a sheared flywheel key,good luck.
btw, im nervous every time i go out right now

Man that sucks, I sheared a key as well. Gotta really torque the flywheel down. I think my manual calls for something like 120lb on the flywheel nut... I was just retarded and forgot to torque it down past finger tight :(

I hope I don't run into any ignition problems.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Man, that's a big motor. It's like half the size of the lake! No wonder you were scared.
 

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Re: This engine scares the crap out of me.

Hoeser,

I just opened up your link and I wish I could go boating. I am in Korea right now and have 9 more months to go. I own a 16 footer ski boat with a 88 hp SPL Evinrude and seeing that picture wishes I could be running my boat right now. Take care, Bob
 
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