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Philster

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While I agree that winter storage in the water is a bit extreme, I can think of at least a half dozen boats sitting just like that on trailers in driveways right in my neighborhood.

You know, boats are meant to get wet, not like the front seat of your car. So, snow is just another form of water. You really don't need to cover it up. It;'ll be just fine.

I highly recommend you come back and play if off like you were kidding.
 

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While I agree that winter storage in the water is a bit extreme, I can think of at least a half dozen boats sitting just like that on trailers in driveways right in my neighborhood.

You know, boats are meant to get wet, not like the front seat of your car. So, snow is just another form of water. You really don't need to cover it up. It;'ll be just fine.

The out side of the boat is made for being in water, the inside is designed to get wet on occasion and every thing a boat is made off will get damaged from water. There is enough snow in that thing, that when it melts there is going to be standing water above and below the deck not to mention the gas tank will be submerged along with the engine and I would be surprised if that ice dosent completely destroy the fiberglass hull. The life of that boat has just been cut in half or less regardless of what ever the owners deal is.
 

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Hey Arks, I was gonna head down to your marina later today to check on your boat, glad it's OK.

That bayliner is just ridiculous! Reminds me of that deckboat that was in "my" slip 2 down from your boat, that thing WAS a nice fourwinns, but they never covered it!
 

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Some people have absolutely no common sense. How much trouble/money would it have been to at least throw a poly tarp over it... ?
 

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I don't know what kind of snow you all get but the recent snow storm down here was unusual--first in 20 years. So it is not unusual to leave boats uncovered and get caught once every 20 years with snow in it. No point in shoveling it out immediately before it melts (unless there is a weight problem) so maybe he was on his way down to take care of it later on?

Generally when the boat is in the water the bilge and bilge pump does not freeze, so when it starts melting, it will trickle into the bilge and the pump will take it out. (not so on a trailer but plug out solves that some). It is true, however, that drains can get iced up and not function as they should-like ice dams on gutters, so that needs to be addressed.

You can't very well keep a tarp on a moored boat--especially not with the winds we just had. My console cover blew off even though it has stayed on through worse storms; you just never know. PS I found it at low tide under my pier!

The ice that forms around here is soft and won't damage hulls. leaving the lower unit down can prevent it from freezing (I am keeping my OB down during the freezing temps, raising it when not.)

So maybe from a Minnesota perspective that condition is unpardonable, but not from a mid-Atlantic. yes it's better if it's covered but if it's a crappy old boat to begin with, the snow won't make that much difference once or twice.

FTR I keep mine in the water (self bailing deck all fiberglass) so when it filled with snow, I immediately checked the weight issue; scuppers were above water as they should be. When the weather started to warm I shoveled out the snow. Verified bilge pump. No harm done, but someone riding by the day after may have seen a similar sight.

So before you criticize someone walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you will be a mile away, and you got his shoes!
 

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You know, boats are meant to get wet, not like the front seat of your car. So, snow is just another form of water. You really don't need to cover it up. It;'ll be just fine.

That is a very common misconception. Just because boats float in water, absolutely does not mean they are waterproof on the inside. Boat interiors are meant to hold up to splashing and the occasional rain while out and about. Making them a redneck swimming pool is a fast way to find yourself in a rotting and severely damaged boat. Snow and ice stick to anything and will find its way into anything which isn't watertight (and force its way into some things which are). Engine blocks crack every year not just from ice inside the engine, but ice allowed to make its way inside an engine. As for decks and the like, damp wood will freeze, forcing expansion and cracking the fiberglass surrounding it, which exacerbates the problem.

So, although boats are seen as outdoor objects, only the outside of a hull is meant to take anything more than a rainy afternoon here and there. Just visit the restoration forum if you still think otherwise.
 

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Lowkey you are absolutely right for some types of boats, such as the one in the picture, but not all. This is what people who are shopping for boats need to consider. However, a self-bailing, all fiberglass, no carpet/cushion, outboard IS made to be left out in the rain, year round. Makes boating a whole lot easier--just a trade off, like everything else.
This may also be why Bayliners and the like have a tarnished reputation on the used market--the buyers see too many that weren't taken care of the way a boat of that type needs to be, and see the deterioration, compared to an "outdoors" boat of comparable age that is made to take it.
 

airdvr1227

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Lighten up...it's somebody's boat and they are free to do with it as they please. If they choose to neglect it that way that's their bidness.

Although we refer to them a 'she' or 'her' let's not forget they are inanimate objects.
 

windsors03cobra

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Never seen that here any of the marinas here would just pull it out and set it in their yard never to move again until the storage and moving is paid for.
Even if a guy had his own dock here I think the gubmint/DNR would have something to say about it. Possible pollution problem.
 

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I don't know what kind of snow you all get but the recent snow storm down here was unusual--first in 20 years. So it is not unusual to leave boats uncovered and get caught once every 20 years with snow in it. No point in shoveling it out immediately before it melts (unless there is a weight problem) so maybe he was on his way down to take care of it later on?

Generally when the boat is in the water the bilge and bilge pump does not freeze, so when it starts melting, it will trickle into the bilge and the pump will take it out. (not so on a trailer but plug out solves that some). It is true, however, that drains can get iced up and not function as they should-like ice dams on gutters, so that needs to be addressed.

You can't very well keep a tarp on a moored boat--especially not with the winds we just had. My console cover blew off even though it has stayed on through worse storms; you just never know. PS I found it at low tide under my pier!

The ice that forms around here is soft and won't damage hulls. leaving the lower unit down can prevent it from freezing (I am keeping my OB down during the freezing temps, raising it when not.)

So maybe from a Minnesota perspective that condition is unpardonable, but not from a mid-Atlantic. yes it's better if it's covered but if it's a crappy old boat to begin with, the snow won't make that much difference once or twice.

FTR I keep mine in the water (self bailing deck all fiberglass) so when it filled with snow, I immediately checked the weight issue; scuppers were above water as they should be. When the weather started to warm I shoveled out the snow. Verified bilge pump. No harm done, but someone riding by the day after may have seen a similar sight.

So before you criticize someone walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you will be a mile away, and you got his shoes!

So you are saying it's not unusual for people in Norfolk to leave their boats uncovered year round, even in the rain? Sounds like a bunch of people who are careless to me.

And someone said lighten up???? It's just a discussion. THAT boat was NOT meant to be left out in the snow, or rain. Some boats are, but NOT this one.

It's STUPID to treat a pleasure boat like that. Period.
 

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When it snows on mine I just clean it off and go boating!:D
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It's not unusual for people in Norfolk (and vicinity) to leave their boats uncovered year round.

Think of this by analogy: it's not careless to leave your pool furniture out by the pool; it would be careless to leave your living room sofa out by the pool. Some places, you leave your pool furniture out all year; some places you store or cover it in the off season. So whether one is careless by not covering the boat, depends on the boat and the climate.

There are a lot of people with boats here; some have no idea what they are doing and many have generations of experience. The climate is moderate; we are boating from April to October and fishing through December (some year round). We have high humidity, though; hurricanes and northeasters; incontinent seagulls and salt water.
One of the most popular boats is the fiberglass center console with a self-bailing deck; one reason it's so popular is that it doesn't need to be covered (likewise the aluminum jonboat). Some people cover theirs all the time; some just in the off season. Few people cover whole boats in the water.
I cover my console on my newer boat; the rest of the boat does fine, in the water all year (hence I was shovelling snow out). I no longer cover my 20 year old all fiberglass skiff, which I used to do in the winter, since my cover ripped last winter; it's too old to matter. Once I restore my old Whaler I'll cover it again unless it's in the water.
People with larger boats enclose the cabin area. Some people who don't cover their boats at the piers but would if they are on the trailer under the trees.
As to those with BaylinerBowrider types, many cover them all the time; some just in the off season. The ones who never do, you can tell, and their boats don't hold up--as expected. I would agree with you that they are careless, with that type of boat (unless the guy bought it in bad condition for a work boat--they can be too far gone at the hands of the previous owner).
Some people cover their fiberglass fishing boats year round, and they look very good. In many circumstances you can leave more stuff in a covered boat with it less likely to be swiped. Just a time/cost/benefit analysis--but not to a degree of carelessness.

I see plenty of sadly neglected boats and don't understand it. There's an abandoned (we think) 27' sailboat anchored out that's been neglected for about 3 years. It sank in a northeaster in shallow water but someone came along and pumped it out--don't know if it was the owner, volunteer or marine patrol. Now it's floating again, windows and hatches gone, fillnig back up with rain water.

look on our Craigslist and you will get an idea. there's a 2-for-1 on old 25' sailboats now. And for every freebie, $200 jon boat or $800 Bayliner, there are a hundred more out there in the weeds. There are lots of old cabin cruisers in the 24-32' range practically free for the taking. Most are junk; some didn't need to be. But the old all fiberglass "pool furniture" boats keep on truckin'.
 

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Ya, like the other poster said . . . you are sure to see this on Craigs List and being described as:

Famous Bayliner brand, used very little, no salt water, great boat for skiing etc. Runs like a dream :)

Who will be the new lucky owner?

We''ll see this one back on iboats in the spring and the buyer's first post will be: New to boating . . . looking for tips for my "new to me" Bayliner :D
 

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should see if it still there at the thaw---that will tell you what type of owner
 

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here it is (actual ad now on CL nearby--picture of bow rider on trailer full of snow, no cover, ripped up seats)

nice boat needs some work - $800
have a 1994 Regal valentin 190 for sale. It is a 21 ft. inboard/outboard open bow with trailer. The boat needs some work its been out in the weather but thats why its so cheap it has a lot of potential but i just got a bike and i have a baby on the way so if i dont sell it,it will sit forever anyway its definately worth a look so gimme a shout or shoot me an e mail anytime, and I am also interested in a trade for a dirtbike 125cc and bigger or any kind of streetbike cruisers or crotchrockets I dont care I just love to ride,oh yea and the price IS negotiable so call me lets make a deal my name is Travis my number is 999999999 call or text anytime if I dont answer leave me a message and i WILL call you back thank you and have a great day!

Location: king george
 

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Come on people, lighten up, it was an OBVIOUS tongue in cheek post. :D

Yes, I'm sorry if some of you missed my sarchasm.

It just never ceases to amaze my why some people have so little regard for the money they spend.

Case in point (and here I'm not kidding), a guy in my neighborhood has 2 runabouts and they sit uncovered under 2 feet of snow all winter. Then in the spring he actually uses them!

Yet he wouldn't leave his car outside with the windows open!
 

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My boat is 32 years old. If he had let it sit out in the rain/snow uncovered, it wouldn't probably be here now. But it is, and it's in fine shape, and will provide me with many years of joyful service, because I too, will take care of it. It's not that hard.
 

arks

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FWIW, that Bayliner has been in the slip since last spring. It's a fairly new boat, no more than 3 or 4 years old. The owner used it regularly over the summer and all seemed fine. One thing however, semed a bit odd to me. The guy has a perfectly good bimini top (frame + canvas) that he kept folded ON THE DOCK all summer behind his boat. I've never saw it actually protecting the boat- even on a rainy day. It's not there now.

As far as contacting the owner, that's the marinas job. They have staff onsite and walk the docks daily. I don't know that particular boatowner but if I did I'd certainly give him a call.

My guess is that he's one of those guys who really think a boat can be left wide open 'cause it's meant to get wet'.
Well, either that or he's STUPID :rolleyes:

SKARGO: check your PM. I have a favor....
 

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Bimini's really don't protect a boat from much, but take a beating themselves if "up" all the time. You need a cover made for the boat.
How long since the snow stopped when you got your picture? Have you been back to see if he came later and shoveled out?
 
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