tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

[snookhooked]

I started the day with a problem with my T/T. I went out there to raise the motor to trailer to the dock. it started going up at a slow place but acted like the batteries may have been going dead and it stopped. now I did a check on the batteries and they showed 12 volts. since my meter is a harbor freight mete, I took it as maybe its not correct, so I just bumped the motor over and it did just fine so since it was 4 am and I did want to wake my neighbors up, so I took it to the water and ran the boat around and checked the voltage and once again it was 12 volts. the relays are both clicking and everything I could test shows power at the right volts. since I did a manual pressure release and the motor is in the down position, I cant lift the motor back up. I cant pick it up to lock it so Im thinking either Im not getting power to the motor part on T/T or it just went bad? maybe someone has went through this and can tell me how to make sure whats the problem before I go buying things I may not need. the motor is a 1992 150hp Evinrude Spit Fire. its either has to be power or the motor. thats my opinion, please give me yours. Thanks for your time.

 

[jonesg]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

yeh could be battery, try your cars battery.
could be dirty cable connections.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

I will go through all my wires that I can find for the T/T and make sure they are clean and have good connection and post back where or hwo it went . thanks

 

[ezeke]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

You need full power coming from the battery, so check your battery cables. You might want to have your battery load tested; 12 volts on a standing battery does not tell you anything important.

You have to retorque the manual release to spec once opened.

You need to check your hydraulic fluid, top it up, and cycle it several times.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Thats some very useful information. Thanks. Im not real sure how to load test, other than turn everything on and see where it stands. Im new but learning. I do have another question, since doing a manual bleed and the motor is fully down now, I cant lift it up even with my hands. how can I get it up to the lock position to do a check and see if its getting power to the motor and how much voltage its getting? Im going to pull all my cables and do a good cleaning to make sure they are at their best and run through any connections and check and clean them too. Thanks so much

 

[cisnet]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Just wondering what type of oil you put in your trim? I seem to be having the same problems as you.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

This my first time and I always see people putting ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid) I would ask on here. at least someone could point you in the right direction. I need to find out as well. since my motor is stuck down, I cant go to much further to find out whats the problem with mine. good luck and please let me know what you find out. you could also Google it and find out. Im going to try that too. good luck.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

I have cleaned all the cables and with both batteries I show 13+ volts but still have the clicking sounds on both relays up and down. now is there a way to jump and find out if the relays are bad? I cant believe both would go bad at same time. I have also released the pressure but still cant budge the motor up to access the pump or its motor. still in need of some help

 

[Lee Taylor]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

As Ezeke already stated above, doing a V (voltage) check on a battery not currently under load...won't tell you much, if anything. The easiest way for you to have that battery checked, is to take it to Auto Zone or the like. They'll be able to load test it for you for free if I'm not mistaken.

Above and beyond that, definitely make sure that all connections are corrosion free and also make sure that there aren't any obvious nicks in any of your cabling/wiring. Sounds far fetched, but I've seen lots of things that shouldn't happen beat the odds.

Get that/those battery/batteries load tested and go from there. It's way too easy for one to show its rated voltage only to be hooked up to a very small load and drop drastically. Keep us updated!!

 

[ezeke]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

The recommended fluid is OMC/BRP Power Trim/Tilt & Power Steering Fluid.

GM Dextron II ATF is listed as an "acceptable substitute" in the factory service manual.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Thanks, will find out where I can get the load test done on batteries. I have another question to it. even when I release the pressure on the hydrolics, I still cant raise the motor. is there a lock down switch/pin that prevents the lower unit from coming up? I can move it about a half an inch buy no further. it wont come up at all for me. Thanks for the help. I did get all the connect cleaned up great so just will get the batteries done with the load test,

 

[ezeke]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

We covered this pretty well in this thread: http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=320172

The units are a little different but the functions are the same.

The motor locks down when in reverse. It should not be locked when in neutral or forward gear.

There is a tilt limit switch in the larger motors that stops the motor from tilting too far. If the switch sticks, the unit won't run.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Thanks, I am reading it. anyway, I am going to have both batteries load tested as soon as I can find where. what I do need to do is find out why I still cant get the motor to raise. I tried in neutral and in forward gear but still cant get the motor to raise up. with the motor in the position, I cant get to anything at all. I have turned the manual release counter clockwise like it said and the motor acts like its locked. I have checked everything I can find possible and seem to have 12.70 voltage reading and 13.00 with both batteries. Im thinking if I could raise up the motor, then I could remove the motor to test it with it being off to get a idea of whether its working or not. at this point I cant hear anything but with the motor not coming up, I question if I would hear the motor trying or not? the relays are getting power on all points and when I click the switches, they too show power. my only guess at this point is whats the motor doing? Im just confused why I cant raise the motor. I dont want to try and force it up due to I may damage something. I cant get to and lines to loosen up due to they are under it and I would have to remove the motor to get to them. this is aggravating situation but some how I will get through it. Thanks so much for the help and patience.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Ok, I got the motor up today. I loosen the screw to fill it and fluid came out so I closed it back up but the two legs down below where the motor come down to they arent up like normal. I havent found any leaks from the system all all. I still have the clicking with no motor movement but I wanted to ask if the motor can be removed to be checked and need to find out if the feet being down means the the hydraulics may need to be rebuild? does this explain much?

 

[daselbee]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

From another forum. Also covered here in other posts.
FOR TWO WIRE T/T motors only.

There is a big two wire connector (green and blue wires) on the lower port side, the wires feed out the bottom of the cowl to the T/T unit....pull that connector apart and make sure it is not corroded. Make sure it is a good connection there.

There are two wires coming to the engine from the T&T.
One is blue, the other green. They are large gauge wires, probably #12 or so, because they handle lots of current.
You must separate the connector, and apply battery power directly to the two terminals inside the connector, on the T/T motor side. The trim will go up with one polarity of the power applied, and if you reverse the polarity, it will go down.

It takes some skill to get the power into that connector without shorting the two together...it will spark like hell if you touch 'em together. Be careful. It is power directly from the batt, and has a lot of current behind it. It will melt wires fast.

No spark when hooked up straight to the battery indicates an open motor winding. Everytime I test one in this manner, it sparks big, and the motor immediately runs, either up or down depending on which polarity you have chosen when hooking up the wires.
If you power test it, be sure to use large gauge wire. #12 will do.

By the way, blue to +12v, green to negative, trim will go UP.
Green to +12v, blue to negative, trim will go down.

Note that you simply reverse polarity to make the motor go opposite direction.

 

[ezeke]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Swap your relays and try it. If the problem follows the relay, replace it.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

Since I have it up and can acces the motor and wires, I will do the test you are talking about. at least I can go from there and have some direction. yes, I have swapped out the relays and they both click either way. Im guessing they sound like both are working. are the motors rebuildable and is there a way to find a kit? darn things run between 140 to 200 bucks for a replacement motor. Thanks for the help guys.

 

[snookhooked]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

This is where Im at on the T/T. I got the motor up and I found three botls and tried to remove the motor to inspect and clean if needed but I had a hard time even getting it to lift up but couldnt remove it. I did get the motor to respond up and down motion so I tighten the motor back down. now I did loose some fluid so I know it would affect its motion. now it doesnt lift the motor at all and when I lift the motor it goes back right down. so before I can do a good test, I need to fill the fluid back up and need to bleed the system which is my question today before I can go any further. I have heard you can use power steering fluid and Im not real sure about that and if not then I would replace it with a right fluid. I dont want to add problems with what I have already. and how do you bleed it correctly? any help would help out. Thanks

 

[ezeke]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

You can use Dextron II - that's what is recommended other than the OMC/BRP fluid.

1. Lift and support the motor with the trail locks.

2. Have the boat on level ground.

3. Remove the fill plug and add fluid until it runs out the fill hole.

4. Replace the fill plug.

5. Release the trail lock.

6. Cycle the motor up and down 5 times to clear air from the system.

7. Repeat steps 1 -6 until the unit will not take any more fluid.

If it is necessary to use the manual release, it must be re-torqued to spec before the above.

 

[fishhunter99]

Re: tilt and trim clicks but doesnt work

I have a '99 Johnson 115hp and am having this same problem with the PTT. I was raising the motor using the tilt switch on the motor when it got about half way up and just quit. It wouldn't go up or down after that. I removed the hood and can hear a click when I hit the up or down button. Same behavior when I try from the throttle switch, motor switch, or the bow switch. I charged the battery and also tried jumping it. Click is all I get. I loosened the manual release and the motor lowered, but I cannot manually raise it. I'd like to manually raise it to get it to a shop, but I can't budge it even with the release screw loose. Any ideas?

Thanks!