to the lefts and rights

bubbakat

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matttt25 you got one thing right it is hatred.<br />I don't hate all of them just the ones that try to hide behind their ideas that we as christians need to be murded. <br />Now one more question what part of I don't care is it that you don't understand.<br />I have seen this kind of brutility up close and first hand.<br />I don't think that we stand for it either because we jail those kind of thugs.<br />I will say it again I don't care and if that is hatred then so be it.
 

POINTER94

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I know we don't expect our elected politicians or the press to undrestand war, but I can't rightfully understand why anyone would publically riducule our military in a time of war. Reminder: We are in a state of war. Every one of the accusations could have undergone internal investigations with the same outcomes but there are those who wish to gain by marginalizing our troops and country.<br /><br />I am confused how we are able to equate a dirty koran (that never happened mind you) to cutting a mans head off with knife, while he begs for his life. When people endevour to engage in terrorism, and are subsequently apprehended, they are not entitled to special diets, prayer mats, korans, etc. Their acts insult civilized society, and in participating, forfeit all but human rights. In this case, it is their religion that has spawned this terrorism, why would we encourage and support this behavior? Granted this is supposedly a *******isation of Islam. Are catholics allowed to wear crusafixes while interned? It is a double standard. But consistant with the anti-catholic philosphy prevalent in todays America. We are to bend over backwards for terrorists religious rights while we try to erase any catholic symbolizm(Happy holidays), or exercise thereof. (can't utter a prayer in a football huddle etc.)<br /><br />I think that we should stand up for our brothers and sisters and our leaders. If someone gets out of line, we handle it internally. It is interesting how some have put themselves in a position where our defeat is the onlyt way for them to gain. And therefore undermine the efforts of those who have the most on the line. This is un-american. Yea, like it or not, we are at war. Loose lips sink ships. How many died in the Newsweek misreporting? The right to voice opinions mean spit when they result in others deaths. But there are those who hold themselves and their opinions in higher regard than others lives. (politicians and public figures) When we liken our soldiers to Nazi's and our prisons to goulags people die. Where is Cindy when soldiers die for NO reason other than retrebution for inflamitory language?<br /><br />We are not perfect, but we have committed incredible amounts of resources to benefit those who have lived under tyrany. What we do to our military in the name of political correctness will ensure defeat. Fostering the hatred of America has been a policy for some since Vietnam. Having soldiers die for sour grapes is unacceptable. War should not be a theater for partisian politics.
 

QC

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Pointer,<br /><br />I for one never equated the two and never would. I do believe that we can and should show respect for religious symbols and books. I don't mean an incorrectly reported dirtying of a copy of the Koran, but I don't think we should desecrate important symbols. The Taliban did that when they shot up some Buddha statues. I thought that was wrong. I don't want the rest of the world to find any preventable reasons for hating us. I want them to know the America that we love.
 

POINTER94

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Sorry QC, that was a generic ramble not directed at anyone in particular. But I read your posts, and if you felt I was directing any of my comments at you, it was unintended. <br /><br />It is my contention that if we abused underwear at abu grab, then we haul them to levenworth and deal with them within the framework of military justice, not the one sided scruitiny created by a media feeding frenzy of half truths, questionable sources and political agendas. The outcome should be the same unless the soldier is prejudged by the media circus that did ensue prior to their hearings changing the outcome based on public sentiment and not the actual facts.
 

QC

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I didn't think you were actually, just wanted to clarify. I just thought it was the right time to emphasize that we should be held to higher standards.<br /><br />I shouldn't have addressed it to you specifically . . .
 

rodbolt

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so far there are something like 27 cases of homicide either convicted or currently at trail against soldiers that bludgeoned SUSPECTED terrorist, not a necenary contractor that has no accords but a suspect. some still had flex cuffs on when killed by US soldies. thats the stuff I wish to bring to light and change. while making someone wear underwaer on there head is dumb and totally against what the US stands for I cant see it as torture. the point I try to make is the US has played both sides and has incredibly dirty hands. not much mention is made of how much the CIA encoraged saddam to use chemical weapons and less about how the US military controled the autopsies to see how effective the stuff was. it was a toy test for the west, not just the US the UK and france had a hand in it as well. seems we almost always end up putting a nasty leader in place and then back them. <br /> wasnt even going to bring up the clean hands the US has in south america and the caribeen and africa. we toppled libya's elected govt in the 50's cause they were going to nationalize the oil fields and sell to the higest bidder, Iran got the same for the same, Iraq in the 50's had a "benelovent dictator, we busted him for the same reasons as the first two. saddam has had close dealings with the CIA and occasionally was on the CIA payroll a long long time. there is another dippy little country that I cant think of in the reagion we did the same for the same in the 60's. problem was at that time there was not much in instant communications and the public had 100% trust in any statement the US govt made. the US govt has had 40 years to fix the image but has only made it worse with each administration. now that saudi arabia is financing most of the terror why the heck are we in Iraq? we should have been in saud. but I guess that would have hurt a few family treasuries.<br /> its also masked the real threat of terrorists using saud money buy russian nukes. saddam was a joke and we all knew it in the 90's. the russian rogue nukes are worrisome yet no attention is paid to it.<br /> but if a nuke is ever used I will bet you will trace the money back to the sauds and their US allies in finance. any takers on a wager ?
 
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