To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

[waterinthefuel]

You must remember, it is not the responsibility of the gov't to rebuild individual homes or to find homes for displaced people. That is the responsibility of the individual homeowner. To those who choose not to invest in flood insurance and instead put their money into other things, I feel for you. But I'm not going to pay for you. The gov't is only responsible for the infrastructure.

If you are going to sit on your front porch and do nothing for yourself and wait for a gov't handout, I hope you wait a very long time. Get off your butt and do something for yourself and stop waiting for handouts!!

Sorry, this was a rant thread more than anything. I'm tired of hearing how Bush hasn't rebuilt private homes destroyed in the hurricane. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO!!

 

[rolmops]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

There is more than one truth.
Yes, home owners should pull themselves up by their boot straps and help themselves.
Yes government is responsible for infrastructure.
Government failed miserably in the upkeep of their infrastructure not only in New Orleans,but as we see now, also in the upkeep of bridges across the nation.
This failure is not the result of ignorance,but of willful redirection of money into politically advantageous pet projects.
The homeland office stripped Fema of its manpower and finances.Bush put an inept horse show manager at the helm and we all know the end result.
Yes,people are to blame for their lack of initiative,but government is to blame for its lack of foresight and its interest in short term political and personal gain.
It can be done differently.
In 1954 a storm flood bigger than Katrina hit the south west of Holland and over 2000 people drowned. At that point that nation, of at the time 10 million people,decided to rebuild and put a levy system in place that is supposed to stand up to a once in 10.000 year storm.And they did it.
Today the USA,which is a nation far richer than Holland and has roughly 350 million citizens, is building a levy system in New Orleans that is supposed to withstand a once in a hundred years storm,without taking global heating and rising sea levels in account.
Why would anyone expect the people to act any different from their government?????

 

[waterinthefuel]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Those people choose to live in a city that was shaped like a soupbowl. If you live below sea level, you are living in a high risk area, I don't care what kind of levees you have. New Orleans is on the coast, below sea level, it is nobodys fault but the individual for their choice to live there.

You are right about the nations bridges, etc. Its sad when political BS gets in the way of safety.

 

[Bigprairie1]

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I don't know if the majority of people were/are upset with Bush as a result of refusal to throw money at rebuilding after the disaster. It seems to me thats more of an insurance issue...for those who had it.
I think the blame issue was directed at the very slow if not missing response to it when it happened.
As to the controversy as to how you help people, if you help people at all, who don't have insurance....well that would be a good thread.
Bring it on.

 

[tommays]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

I do not know what you would call it but a huge amount of money was flushed into repiars with no real control on how it was used


Tommays

 

[OldMercsRule]

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There is more than one truth.

There is only one truth Rolmops but many shades of grey, n' many flavors of Kool aid!!!

Yes, home owners should pull themselves up by their boot straps and help themselves.

Oh Really? Ya don't say!!

Yes government is responsible for infrastructure.

NOT THE FEDERAL GUBMINT! Please refer to the Cornstatution, (only 20 pages).

Government failed miserably in the upkeep of their infrastructure not only in New Orleans,

With some of the most corrupt Pols in the Country, (n' it's been that way fer a long time: Mrs Jones). Betcha can't guess which party dominates LA politics n' has fer a very LONG, (like ol' Huey), time? BTW, do the LOCAL idiots n' dim wits elect the same ones who left the school busses ta flood, n' their cash in the ol' freezer? Somethin' ta ponder Mrs. Jones? YA GETS WHATCHA PAYS FER!!


but as we see now, also in the upkeep of bridges across the nation.
This failure is not the result of ignorance,but of willful redirection of money into politically advantageous pet projects.

Yah like stadiums fer Billionares where Millionares play ball, funded by us dim wits that elect the people that do this kinda stuff to us all the time.

The homeland office stripped Fema of its manpower and finances.

So what?

Bush put an inept horse show manager at the helm and we all know the end result.

Yah, I guess a Hurricane hit NEW ORLEANS that the MSM blamed on ol' GEORGE BUSH.

Yes,people are to blame for their lack of initiative,

Really?

but government is to blame for its lack of foresight and its interest in short term political and personal gain.

Yah, the Gubmint should be better with the weather, global warmin' n' chillin'

It can be done differently.

Yah it sure can.

In 1954 a storm flood bigger than Katrina hit the south west of Holland and over 2000 people drowned. At that point that nation, of at the time 10 million people,decided to rebuild and put a levy system in place that is supposed to stand up to a once in 10.000 year storm.And they did it.

True, unless global warmin' makes the ocean much deeper or an asteroid hits somewhere in the Atlantic. NOT A GOOD IDEA TA BUILD BELOW SEA LEVEL: Mrs Jones.

Today the USA,which is a nation far richer than Holland and has roughly 350 million citizens, is building a levy system in New Orleans that is supposed to withstand a once in a hundred years storm,without taking global heating and rising sea levels in account.

Where did ya get the extra 50 Million: Willis?

Why would anyone expect the people to act any different from their government?????

People of New Orleans like CORRUPT DEM POLS: ya don't say Mrs Jones? Ya gets whatcha pay fer. Respectfully, JR

 

[Scaaty]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

I agree, but to a point (and the massive amount of money already put there, and 50% wasted in goverment doing it), but I'd rather see Bush ask for anything for help there, instead of another 50 BILLION for Irag

 

[dirtyoldman]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

they had a chance to fix their problem. They elected Ray Nagin instead. I guess he'll get his "chocolate city" after all.

what happened to the 140 billion dollars that was sent down there after the storm? that's a lot of money to **** away.

 

[Bigprairie1]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

I agree, but to a point (and the massive amount of money already put there, and 50% wasted in goverment doing it), but I'd rather see Bush ask for anything for help there, instead of another 50 BILLION for Irag

I'd have to agree with that.......money better spent.

 

[RubberFrog]

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Ol' Ray says he wants to rebuild Chocolate City and he want the caramels to do the work while the vanillas pay for it.

 

[Kalian]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Global Heating,
Now thats funny. Global warming not effective enough?

 

[rolmops]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

People of New Orleans like CORRUPT DEM POLS: ya don't say Mrs Jones? Ya gets whatcha pay fer. Respectfully, JR

Murky can you for once try not to give fallacious counter arguments?

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Between all RF's racist remarks and Merky sucking all the electrons out of the internet, this thread is doomed.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Murky can you for once try not to give fallacious counter arguments?

Why is it "Fallacious" to state the OBVIOUS: Rolmops!! It maybe one of those things about investment types: we tend ta say (n' think): IT IS WHAT IT IS!!

When the French build a city in a place ya never should build a city, n' year after year, decade after decade the people elect blatantly corrupt Pols who cornstatnly rob 'em blind, or build shoddy things n' rob the Gubmint while doin' it. Why is it so "FALLACIOUS" ta observe they got what they paid fer?

The Cornstatution does not obligate ol' Murky up here where it rains nearly constantly ta pay fer a cess pool near a huge river like that. IT IS A LOCAL ISSUE!!! Shockin' ain't it? Respectfully, JR

 

[tommays]

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i am still confused as to why the new Orleans levee board members are not up on charges for all the repair money that cant be accounted for over the last 50 years






Tommays

 

[rolmops]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Why is it "Fallacious" to state the OBVIOUS: Rolmops!! It maybe one of those things about investment types: we tend ta say (n' think): IT IS WHAT IT IS!!

When the French build a city in a place ya never should build a city, n' year after year, decade after decade the people elect blatantly corrupt Pols who cornstatnly rob 'em blind, or build shoddy things n' rob the Gubmint while doin' it. Why is it so "FALLACIOUS" ta observe they got what they paid fer?

The Cornstatution does not obligate ol' Murky up here where it rains nearly constantly ta pay fer a cess pool near a huge river like that. IT IS A LOCAL ISSUE!!! Shockin' ain't it? Respectfully, JR

It may or may not be true.The fallacious part of it is that half of what you say has nothing to do with the subject matter.That is why I call it fallacious.
Murky,how about the concept of one nation under one constitution?
Murky,how about the soldiers from Louisiana who serve to protect your freedom???
Obligation is two way traffic!!

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

It may or may not be true.

A Fallicy is FALSE Rolmops! Ya smokin' somethin'?

The fallacious part of it is that half of what you say has nothing to do with the subject matter.

Thought the thread was about New Orleans.

That is why I call it fallacious.

Yer problems with the English language are the reason Murky is askin' 'bout yer smoke.

Murky,how about the concept of one nation under one constitution?

I like that corncept: Rolmops!!!

Murky,how about the soldiers from Louisiana who serve to protect your freedom???

N' I appreciate that Rolmops!!! The freedom of America helps all of us n' is THE REAL purpose of the Gubmint under the Cornstatution ya jus' mentioned above. THAT CLEAR?

Obligation is two way traffic!!

Show me where Murky livin' in Washington State is obligated to rebuild a currupt city a long way from ol' Murky near VERY LARGE IMPORTANT RIVER. Respectfully, JR

 

[rolmops]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

Murky,please google "Fallacious statement"

 

[BLU LUNCH]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

When ever there is a major earthquake or a typhoon ect. ect ect, there we are with billions of dollars in aid to rebuild, and to "get them on there feet." Help your own first, people are complaining that they do not want to help pay for an American disaster such a the hurricane, it sounds anti american not to help your fellow country men in time of need, Quote: waterinthefuel: But I'm not going to pay for you. The gov't is only responsible for the infrastructure.

If you are going to sit on your front porch and do nothing for yourself and wait for a gov't handout, I hope you wait a very long time. Get off your butt and do something for yourself and stop waiting for handouts!!

Sorry, this was a rant thread more than anything. I'm tired of hearing how Bush hasn't rebuilt private homes destroyed in the hurricane. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO!! Spend it the money here, not rebuilding some backward third world country that in ten years will hate our guts{i.e. France}'...........

 

[JB]

Re: To those who say Bush botched the recovery effort in New Orleans...

There is no "The Government". There is local government with local (including infrastructure) responsibilities, there is State Government with statewide (including infrastructure) responsibilities, and there is the Federal government forbidden by the Constitution to meddle in State and local affairs.

Local government blew (and continues to blow) it, State government blew it, and both whine that the 53 BILLION dollars allocated by the Federal government isn't automatically fixing everything.

Losers can't seem to find any way to win, even with 53 Billion of our dollars.