Tohatsu recurring nightmare...

toby1

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Well hopefully I have caught some attention with my title! Also sorry for the long post!

Anyway, I have a mid 1980's 8hp 2 stroke tohatsu. It is an M8B model.

Last season I had an issue where the engine would run great most of the time, but if it sat for more than about 7 days without being run, it would flood at start up. In other words, it would start right up, run for about ten seconds, and then stall. There would be a gassy smell, and some gas in the engine cowling.

My work around if this happened, would be to shut off the fuel flow with a pit **** in the fuel line, and restart the engine (after many pulls). Once the engine was restarted, I would then turn the fuel on for about ten seconds, and then off for about 40 seconds until I was able to get my sails up and then shut the engine off. The weird thing is that almost every time, after I was done sailing, the engine would run normally, and would continue to run normally if used on a semi daily (less than 7 days or so) basis. Anyway, I have rebuilt the carb, and cleaned it (soaking in carb cleaner overnight, and nothing helped.

At the beginning of this season, I could not get the engine to run with this carb at all, so borrowed a carb from a friend who has the same engine. It seemed to run great when hooked up to my engine. I did use the bowl / fuel pump assembly from my carb as I had just rebuilt the fuel pump while trying to get it to work. Anyway, after a few weeks, this new carb started to behave exactly as the old one did as described above. At this point, I am wondering if there is any chance this is not carb issue, although I can't see how it would not be. Is it possible that this symptom could be somehow related to the fuel pump? I believe there are some valves in there, and am thinking maybe one could be sticking open. It seems odd that two different carbs would do the same thing. This new carb was cleaned before install as well.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan T
 

TOHATSU GURU

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Re: Tohatsu recurring nightmare...

Since the fuel pump is part of the carburetor you still have a carburetor problem rather than a fuel pump problem. Buy a new carb, from any dealer and end the nightmare.
 

toby1

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Re: Tohatsu recurring nightmare...

Well, that's my plan I guess, but just wondering if that will fix the issue since two different carbs have done the same thing.

It does seem like the common link is the bowl / fuel pump. I guess I was wondering if there was any way the bowl / fuel pump could be responsible for these symptoms.

Thanks,

Dan
 

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Re: Tohatsu recurring nightmare...

Yes and no...By changing the carb the first time you said the problem went away. That would lead me to believe that the problem is in the carburetor. You suspect that the problem is in the fuel pump section of the carburetor so...Back to the carburetor. Now, if you are asking what the likelihood is of having a bad carburetor? Remote, tiny, not likely, rare, etc. Chances are you do have a problem in the fuel system. That could be the result of contaminates or stale fuel. Or even varnish build up due to not running the fuel out of the engine after every use. Or it might be something in the ignition system. You have to pick a system on the engine and start troubleshooting using the service manual. Unfortunately there is no magical "yes, its the xxx". It's more a question of elimination by testing until you stumble across the problem. I would start with that fuel system first as 90% of the time that's where the problem is located.
 

pvanv

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Re: Tohatsu recurring nightmare...

Everything Elvin said, plus... if your carb overflowed, that is an indicator that too much fuel went into the bowl, which is an indicator that the needle did not shut off properly, allowing the excess fuel to rise to a point where it spilled out. Keep in mind that these units are probably over 20 years old, and varnishing as well as rubber deterioration is to be expected.

If you are confident that your carb passages are pristine, a new kit will probably help you. The carb kit is still available from any dealer, including me, 369871221M CARBURETOR REPAIR KIT 5B 8B 9.8 $37.13

If there is any question about any of the small passages in the carb, a replacement carb is also available 3B2032001M CARBURETOR ***'Y $166.83

Remember that today's fuel has 2 characteristics that were not issues in the fuels of the past:
1- It's not as stable, so use good stabilizer in proper amounts.
2- E-10 is both a corrosive solvent and attracts water from the air, which will really hurt the small passages in a carb, so always run the carb dry after use to prevent varnishing and corrosion.
 
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