Tokyo Rose

[PW2]

Re: Tokyo Rose

So you want the press to only show approved government propaganda, that only shows successes?

Hmmm...I think the Soviets tried that tactic before. I think they called it "Pravda"

How'd it work out for them?

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Tokyo Rose

So you want the press to only show approved government propaganda, that only shows successes?

Hmmm...I think the Soviets tried that tactic before. I think they called it "Pravda"

How'd it work out for them?


We call it the NY Times. Hows it working for us?

 

[12Footer]

Re: Tokyo Rose

What really gets me is that there is a small group of far right radicals who sincerely believe that their opinion is the only truth and that their vision of what America should be like like is the only valid one.You go so far as to call those Americans who think different from you traitors and point your finger at them.
Just for you to know. America is made of people and what makes America a great place to live is its diversity of life styles and its tolerance.
America is not the exclusive property of a small group of neo -conservatives with fascist leanings.For these neo conservatives to call everybody else names is not only rude it is also an effort to limit the very freedom you claim to represent!
You may be very strongly represented on this board,but at the same time you are just a tiny minority in the overall population

Rolmops, I know this was in response to my post, calling-out (IMHO) those I see as "traitors". I understand your "self-defense mechanism" kicking-in at the mention of that word "traitor", given your often anti-war, anti-U.S. philosophies so many times expressed here on iboats. But I also understand the difference between free speach and propaganda, as well -- you should too.
And if you do not, you had best learn it. There ARE some. It's not so distinquishable in peace time, but in times of war, it is a potent (probably the MOST potent) weapon!
I'm constantly suprised by it's effectiveness, and my interest being peeked (even back in high school) have studied some of the scientific/medical works on the topic.
Nobody wants to deny "free speech", unless it pees in their little bowl of cornflakes!
If I have offended you, perhaps it would be wise if you examined your own perceptions as to the differences between your concept of "free speech" and "propaganda". Perhaps you'll then understand who I actually do call "traitors". And after doing so, if you still think I have given you that particular label, then try to be content in being so-labeled by one American a "traitor", even tho I haven't singled you or anyone else out. By all means, if the shoes DOEs fit, wear it with the pride, or shame you feel.
In the meantime, if you would like a list of who I personally consider to be traitors to my country, just let me know. I am opinionated, and govern my actions often by those opinions. But in the process, try to keep in mind -- opinions are like hoo ha's ... Everyone has them.

 

[PW2]

Re: Tokyo Rose

So you want the press to only show approved government propaganda, that only shows successes?

Hmmm...I think the Soviets tried that tactic before. I think they called it "Pravda"

How'd it work out for them?


We call it the NY Times. Hows it working for us?

I'd say reasonably well. The truth is finally getting out, The Libby trial and the Inspector general's report documenting the fraud committed re the intelligence re the run up to the war and how we got into it, the approval rating of the President at 30 % or so, the 2006 election results and finally we may get a real debate on this war and tactics.

As General Pace recently testified to Congress (paraphrase) A healthy debate is good for the country, good for the troops, and good for democracy.

That's the role of a free press in a free country.

 

[12Footer]

Re: Tokyo Rose

So you want the press to only show approved government propaganda, that only shows successes?

Hmmm...I think the Soviets tried that tactic before. I think they called it "Pravda"

How'd it work out for them?


We call it the NY Times. Hows it working for us?

I'd say reasonably well. The truth is finally getting out, The Libby trial and the Inspector general's report documenting the fraud committed re the intelligence re the run up to the war and how we got into it, the approval rating of the President at 30 % or so, the 2006 election results and finally we may get a real debate on this war and tactics.

As General Pace recently testified to Congress (paraphrase) A healthy debate is good for the country, good for the troops, and good for democracy.

That's the role of a free press in a free country.

{heavy sigh} A small C&P from an article about Jonestown:

In 1968, with his family falling apart and his congregation only numbering 68, Jones applied for, and was granted, affiliation with the Disciples of Christ, a denomination that boasted 1.5 million members. With very little supervision from the church administration, Jones was able to ignore its requirement for Holy Communion and baptism; instead he preached socialism and baptized new members “in the holy name of socialism.”
Since that time, Jonestown and its leader Jim Jones have entered American discourse as code for the dangers of cults and cult leaders. The expression “drinking the Kool-Aid”—which means both blindly jumping on the bandwagon, and being a team player—is one manifestation of this. The story of Jonestown, and of its parent organization Peoples Temple, however, is more complicated than sound-bites comparing strict parents to Jim Jones, or pundits relating religious violence (such as the suicide air strikes of 11 September 2001) to Jonestown. Instead, Jonestown serves as a lesson in how a combination of media, government, and citizens can create a climate of persecution and fear. It also provides an example of how uncritical acceptance of the status quo and social and geographic isolation can lead to violence and even death."
Keep drinkin it, they'll keep mixing more.

 

[POINTER94]

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Yep, plenty of kool-aid about global warming, left wing attack dogs on the opinion page, failure to address real scandals like transfer of technolgy to china for cash or the liberal feel good security measures at our national labs resulting in military secrets going to the chicoms.

Another question those of you on the left failed to answer, who exactly is the right wing editorial writer on the NY Times?

Funny you didn't quote Hillary quoting Marx.

I guess it is one of those real aspects of liberty and freedom that those on the left love to deny when pointing out how hideous democracy is. You can always vote yourself into socialism, communism or dictatorship. Try it vice versa.

 

[PW2]

Re: Tokyo Rose

Pointer, do you even read what you write?

You seem to be the one attacking democracy.
What is it about a free press that scares you so?

Do you not think multiple points of view a good thing?

Tom Friedman and David Brooks are right leaning columnists. No doubt not right enough for you but then the NYT has journalistic integrity to think about, clearly not an impediment for Fox News, The Weekly Standard, and Sun Yung Moon's rag.

Oh Well. The president's approval rating is 30 %, So clearly there are some that are equally as perceptive as you are. It's unrealistic to think it would go to 0 %

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Tokyo Rose

Pointer, do you even read what you write?

You seem to be the one attacking democracy.
What is it about a free press that scares you so?

Do you not think multiple points of view a good thing?

Tom Friedman and David Brooks are right leaning columnists. No doubt not right enough for you but then the NYT has journalistic integrity to think about, clearly not an impediment for Fox News, The Weekly Standard, and Sun Yung Moon's rag.

Oh Well. The president's approval rating is 30 %, So clearly there are some that are equally as perceptive as you are. It's unrealistic to think it would go to 0 %

Hey PW2, Tom Friedman leans right? How 'bout ol' Joe Stalin, is he a right winger from your left perspective PW2? U live in Seattle PW2? What R U smokin' my man? Wow, I wish I could understand the world through your eyes for a minute or two, (better yet smoke somethin' that would give me a clue, ya got some)? Friedman is a very skilled guy that writes about the Religion o' Peace. I can understand how you would cornfuse the truth with the right, but Friedman is very left wing. JR

 

[crunch]

Re: Tokyo Rose

He's at it again...

Kerry branded Bush's proposal for additional forces as "nothing more than the escalation of a misguided war."

The Pentagon is in the midst of implementing Bush's order to raise troop levels by 21,500, part of a plan to help quell sectarian violence in Baghdad.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, who has said he will not run for the White House in 2008, criticized Republicans for blocking Senate debate on Iraq.

The GOP stalled a Senate resolution backed by Democrats and several Republicans that expresses dissatisfaction with Bush's call for additional troops and sets benchmarks for the Iraq government.

The measure fell 11 votes short of the 60 required to move the debate forward.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/10/Dems.radio.ap/index.html

 

[technostingray]

Re: Tokyo Rose

I think it was Sinclair Lewis that said when Fascism comes to America, it will be draped in a flag, carrying a cross....

Actually, it was Sinclair Lewis who said that.....

 

[technostingray]

Re: Tokyo Rose

At least partly revisionist history, LD.

It's danged embarrassing.:'(

You said it, JB. Especially if you suffer from guilt by association.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Tokyo Rose

You beat me to it... TOM FREIDMAN???

Do you even know who he is PW? Clearly you don't. Do you just make this up as you go along wishing the words you type will stike some chord in reality?

Brooks at best is a middle of the road guy.

The only guy I can remember is William Safire that was a true conservative on their staff in recent memory. But I have to admit, I am not an avid reader of their paper as their agenda driven news and editorial staff only reports the news that is unfit for America. If they have to write a conservative column, they usually have to farm it out to a freelance journalist. They are a balancing agent to 1/2 of the political spectrum. Unfortunately, that is only 1/2 of their so called responsibility.

Thomas Friedman, Maureen Dowd, Bob Herbert and David Brooks. Yep, I can't find a Bob Novak, or Bill Crystal anywhere here. But I can find a drooling, attack dog liberal who lives in a reality far away from that of the average American. Maureen Dowd. Hate Monger.

Please show me two pro-Bush editorials in the last year in the NY Times. I would be happy to provide 20 anti-bush or pro democrat columns.

I guess calling our troops Nazis or likening them to Salin's troops during a time of war counts a patriotism to some, but most rational thinking Americans find it boarderline traitorous and at the very least worthy of censure. Nope, can't run from that one.

 

[PW2]

Re: Tokyo Rose

No pro Bush editorials in the NYT? That's hardly surprising, as it is hard enough to find a pro Bush ed in the radical right wing rags you prefer.

Even they need to retain some semblance of credibility to be taken seriously.

 

[CJY]

Re: Tokyo Rose

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --GWB Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: Tokyo Rose

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --GWB Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

I like that. Looks like Gee Whiz took some items from Tokyo Rose's playbook as well.