Too much compression?

bigtwin

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Last boating season I had to repair damaged spark plug threads on my 98 Evinrude 25hp twin cyl., Since I had the head off, I decided to have the head machined .030". I noticed the extra power first time out afterwards, and I was told at the machine shop, that machining the head .030" should only increase my compression by 10 psi or so. Since spring time is coming around the corner (it got up to 30 deg. today) I thought I would check out the boat, first thing I did was to make sure the battery was fully charged, removed the kill switch tether, pulled both plugs and performed a compression check, with the throttle wide open. I found both cyls. are at 140 psi cold. (20 psi over stock) Should I be running high octane gas through my engine, I don't hear any knocking or pinging sounds from my engine, however I'm hard of hearing, and the engine is so damn loud at wide open throttle, I cant hear myself think, yet alone a knock or ping.

BTW I'm using 87 octane right now.
 

F_R

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Re: Too much compression?

The compression will go back down as the pistons burn. No, seriously, I would suggest an upgrade in the gas octane. The only applicable rule that I know of is "Try it and see".
 

Silvertip

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Re: Too much compression?

At todays fuel prices, if you do find the engine knocks and you don't want to use higher octane fuel, you can back off the timing a degree or two to compensate.
 

Robj

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Re: Too much compression?

I would go to higher octane fuel. Here we can buy purple marine mid grade fuel for about the same price as regular clear fuel. I would try mid grade, if you still think there is a problem, then go for premium. That engine does not burn that much fuel, is cheaper than tearing it apart again.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

bigtwin

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Re: Too much compression?

The compression will go back down as the pistons burn. No, seriously, I would suggest an upgrade in the gas octane. The only applicable rule that I know of is "Try it and see".

Hey F_R thats funny, :) and that is exactly what I am trying to avoid, I like the one piece style of pistons personally. I know just because I can't hear the knock, doesn't mean it is not happening. Here in Minnesota, the only way you can get non-oxygenated fuel is in 92 or 93 octane grade, in the past when using this grade of fuel, I've found a noticeable decrease in performance, thus only reinforcing my belief of using the lowest octane necessary. I think I will try the non-oxygenated fuel this season, decabonize often and verify my ignition timing. I just regret waiting so long to actually check my compression.

Thanx for all your input.
 

jim daigle

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Re: Too much compression?

If you are burning the low fuel grade and can not hear a knock when you power off the throatle and the mixture is slightly leaner, then you should be good. I have a High output four stroke with 12/1 comp at 210psi cold cylinder press and I run 100 low lead avgas and its been holding up now for two years with out the need of teardown you should be good. Make sure to use plenty of the rite oil "antiknock" TC3 or equiv. check your plug for clean burn and not to lean as well.... enjoy
 

BoatBuoy

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Re: Too much compression?

I found both cyls. are at 140 psi cold. (20 psi over stock) Should I be running high octane gas through my engine,

I have a '77 35hp and it pumps a bit more than yours - 145lb. on each cylinder. I've always used "regular" and have had no problem. The manual calls for 86 octane.

BTW, where did you get the info that 120 lb is stock? Have you found a chart or something? I didn't know one existed.
 

G DANE

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Re: Too much compression?

I'v had quite a couple of these apart. It seems like the early eighties i had most of, usually will have compression in the upper 120 ies, like 128 or so. But those are cross-flows. Many loopers have compression of 145 or so, and seing your is a 98, I guess its a loop charged, right ?
 

bigtwin

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Re: Too much compression?

I have a '77 35hp and it pumps a bit more than yours - 145lb. on each cylinder. I've always used "regular" and have had no problem. The manual calls for 86 octane.

BTW, where did you get the info that 120 lb is stock? Have you found a chart or something? I didn't know one existed.

No there is no chart as far as I know, I've just measured the compression every spring for last 10 years, and I've always had readings between 122 and 125 psi., this now my numbers are 140 psi top cyl. and 142 psi bottom cyl.

Hey G DANE, the twin cyls. were all crossflows, however Evinrude did make a triple cyl. during the late nineties that was loop charged.

Thanx again for all your input.
 
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