Towing Coverage (Coastal Waters & Offshore)

Knightgang

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Well, I have now been a boat owner for about 3 or 4 months and am getting the family really into the whole boating thing and the fishing thing. I want to question you guys on boat towing coverage.<br /><br />In my area, we have SeaTow and TowBoatUS. Are there any advantages to either that I should know about before I make my decision? They both seem to cost about the same for my 18' boat. I figured one was just as good as the other until I read a thread in here that talked about being a member of BoatUS and getting some type of legal assistance and legal moderation with boat manufacturers should there be a problem. I did not know that sort of thing came with coverage.<br /><br />To the other coastal boaters here, which coverage do you recommend? I will also travel up and down the Atlantic coast and into the Gulf with my boat from time to time and would like to have coverage in those areas as well.<br /><br />Thanks -- Knightgang
 

crazy charlie

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Hi,I would highly recommend Boat US.They go way beyond towing.They have all types of legal interaction,insurance,recommend surveyors,marine equiptment etc.I have been with them for 20 years and only had 1 claim the first year I was with them and they paid fast with no questions asked.there are also discounts for fuel and dockage at many marinas.I am sure there is more that I have not taken advantage of yet.Charlie
 

mattttt25

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can't recommend which to go with, but would say pick one. i broke down for the first time about 2 months ago. it was late evening, batteries went dead, no one around, etc. i did not subscribe to either service. when i finally got towboat us on the radio, the guy told me to sit down before he gave me his price- $180/hr, which didn't include the night fee. also told me it take him about 2 hrs to get to me, even though we were about 5 miles apart at the time. luckily, i got hold of a friend who provided a tow for just a few beers and some striper!
 

Knightgang

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Yes, I have small children and I fear the day that we go 4 to 5 miles out on a calm day to fish, everything doing fine as expected and for some reason have the engine strand me. I know that the tow bills are high if you are not a member but was not sure which service would be the best. <br /><br />Any other recommendations or personnal experiences to share would be greatly appreciated.<br /><br />Thanks -- Knightgang
 

rodbolt

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hello<br />] I am a bit biased as I work with a tow boat US ans I also repair his towboats. I see this capt go 30 plus miles offshore in a 22 sharock with a single 350 325HP. I have seen him head up the sound in 4 ft seas and 35 kt winds to rescue blowboaters. but if you have no coverage it gets very expensive fast. the charge is portal to portal. he is on the clock from the time the boat goes in the water to the time he ties back up. and unlimited coverage is less than 125 or so a year. so get some coverage and carry a cell phone as well as a working VHF. dont want the world to know you dont have coverage :) :) :) <br />good luck and keep posting
 

Fly Rod

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Belonging to sea tow or tow boat u s is like having triple A DON't LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT unless you are rich. Used tow boat u s last summer. They came within 15 minutes, Just lucked out, was first on there list.<br /><br />The only problem that I could see with either one is that they only have one tow boat on duty in your locale area. If they get a couple of calls you could have a long wait.
 

BillP

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Do some serious research before commiting. I looked this over a couple of years ago and found one of those orgs had several operators claiming "salvage" rights to unsuspecting members who were getting assistance. It wasn't just a "few" boats either. I'm getting pixxed just thinking about it. Here's what happens...As a member, you call for a tow, the tow type boat comes out and pulls you off the sandbar, 2 weeks later you get a letter telling you to pay xx% of the value of your boat because the tow was a "legal" salvage. This sounds like fiction but is very real. The salvage charge is BIG portion of the boat value.<br /><br />This is all within maritime law but unfortunately also provides a loophole for dirt bags to prey on boaters. Let me put it this way without name calling, I'm a member of BoatsUS.
 

Boatist

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KnightGang<br />I suggest you start with a kicker motor. About 15 HP for your size boat. This size can be started with a pull roap if the battery is dead. If the Battery is dead the radio and GPS do not work either, but the 15 will get you in. <br /><br />I am on the west coast and many times herd someone call Coast Guard and report there problem. The Coast Guard will call your tow service or call a friend or put out a brocast that you need a tow. Anyway many times I have heard someone with a tow service be told that their problem and position was reported to their tow service but that they were involved in another tow and ETA is 4 hour or more. Not a good feeling if weather is not the best and night is approching. <br /><br />I will not go to Sea in my 21 foot Runabout if both motor do not start at the Dock. My 15 Kicker will get me in. I actually used mine one time to head in when motor did not turn over. Wife got real excited until I started the kicker gave her a compass heading and put her on the wheel.<br /><br />I am sure it was a operator error. We were headed in after a long day of fishing when we saw 5 whales about 1/2 mile farther off shore. We headed out and got as close as safe to take some pictures. I am sure now that I shut the motor off in gear, something I never do. Anyway wife getting excited about the whales being too near so decided to go in and nothing, no starter action. Since I always stop take motor out of gear and advance engine to alout 1000 RPMs just incase we need to start and get underway in a hurry, I did not ever think about the neutral start switch. (daaaa) <br /><br />With wife at the helm under kicker power I opened the engine and Jumpered the starter solenoid and started right up. Closed up engine and went in. After we got to the dock I started engine many times and has never failed since. I sure it was a operator error, mine. If we had to wait for a tow wife would not have made it.<br /><br />We have towed in 3 small boat from out to sea and each one had a single engine. Two of them had problem getting motor to start before they started out. One boat about a 16 foot open bow runnabout almost in the breakers. If fact 20 feet closer to the rocky shore I would have not risk My Crew and boat to save them. They had one motor no anchor, no radio, no required flare gun, no horn, no lights no wishel and not wearing life jacks, and so close to shore lucky we saw them. Had about 7 foot seas and just out side the breakers. One guy seating on the bow holding a beer and a 1/4 inch roten ski roap. Lucky my Crew and I have towed several and have a good towing bridle and tow roap set up and every one knows what to do. We did not even have time to give the Coast Guard a shout and report position and problem, Something we should have done before taking that risk.<br /><br />First time we had to tow a Big Bayliner (28 foot by 10) with dual engines and a fly bridge. I learned we needed a towing bridle. We came acrossed a boat smoking very bad with a lady on the front deck with a life jacket ready to jump. Guy in the back with a fire extingeser opening all the covers looking for fire. Never did find anything but oil. This was inland in San Francisco Bay area. We had all taken all the Coast guard classes but were not ready to tow something that big. Under power I could not steer. We did call the Coast Guard to report and there advise was don't get too close. Anyway we rigged a quick roap bridle so we could steer and tow him and his wife in. He was less than one mile from his berth but with a 3 mile per hour current took quite a while to get him out of the current and into to marina. When in the marina took him right to his berth where we had help from about 8 people raised on the radio to help. With boat hooks and roaps got him right into his birth. Could have bought that boat for $10 and the wife would have paid us to take it.<br /><br />If your going to go Offshore I think you are a fool if you do not have two motors, it can save your life. It you ever need a tow then the service can save you big bucks. For me I think the fear of the big cost is one thing that make me be sure everything is working. Tow service can take a long time to get to you. Vessel Assist popular out here on the California Coast. Of corse any Mayday type distress the Coast Guard will respond.<br /><br />Just my 2 cents Maybe more like $2.02 cents.
 

Knightgang

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I never plan to go out unless everthing is working well, but you never know what can happen. I can pull start my 115 outboard, but again, I may have a problem other than a starter or dead batteries. I also do not plan to shut down while offshore, but it is mechanical and things happen that you do not plan for. <br /><br />I have been looking at BoatUS and SeaTow. We have several different harbors for SeaTow and I am sure that TowBoatUS has more than one harbor as well, but I will check what is in this area. I will research further before I start venturing out in the spring and i will consider everyone's opinion of the services they get. There is nothing better for business than a satisfied customer, and that is where I want to get my information.<br /><br />Keep giving your opinions, I am sure that I am not the only one looking into these options.<br /><br />Thanks - Knightgang
 

philtheskipper

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I'm a Boat US customer and have used their towing service a few times. Very happy with their service. Quick, friendly, no questions asked, just show them your card and sign on the dotted line.
 

BillP

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Yep, I got stranded 35 miles offshore once in a 20' outboard and had to come in on my "kicker" motor. The only issue I have with a backup motor is it can take a long time to get back to shore and the hp needs to be big enough to punch against wind and waves. A 10 hp kicker on a 3500+lb 20' Proline was marginal for ocean chop. I definitey endorse getting a little motor for backup but a towing contract is very cheap insurance and well worth it too.
 

Knightgang

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This is supposed to be a post about Towing Coverage, not a kicker motor. I would like more input on the agencies you guys are members of for your "Road Service at Sea". If I am going to depend you these guys in an emergency, I want to know how your experence has been and who you use.<br /><br />So far, the opinions lean to TowBoatUS but I want to give SeaTow members a fair chance to voice their opinions. I have nothing against either and I have both in my area. In fact, they tie up about 300 yards from each other in the same creek. I just want to know that I am getting the best coverage and benefits for my money.<br /><br />Thanks to all. i look forward to reading your reviews.
 

BillP

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Gee, thanks for straightening us out! <br />OK, this will be very clear and on topic...I'm a TowboatUS member for several years and never needed to use them. I did not join the other org because of their documented history on salvage claims.
 

18rabbit

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Knightgang – what BillP wrote in his initial post would have been enough to cause me to go with Boat U.S.<br /><br />I image actual service/response will vary for each region. I chose Boat U.S. only because I got an immediate discount at a new store they opened in my area. Think I will say with them. I have attempted to use them on one occasion. Wasn't their fault they couldn't assist. It is with embarrassment that I mention the southern end of Alameda during and unusually low tide. I don’t have to say anymore and now everyone in the San Francisco Bay Area knows what happened. :eek: Called on a cell phone, no way I’m using the radio to call to this in. Even though Boat U.S. was pulling boats out all over the bay that day, their estimated response time was very quick, travel time only. But they explained my location and why they could not access/assist, pending tidal change, but if I wanted they would be happy to come out and do nothing for us. We decided to hell with it! Raised the motor. Wasn’t enough. Tossed the kid out of the boat. Now we’re getting’ somewhere! In goes the dog. I look at the wife. Wasn’t needed, the kid and dog did it. Paddled over to the ‘secret channel’. Dropped the motor, grabbed the dog and took off. Went back and picked up the kid. Took off again. All-in-all, it was an educational experience; 1) I didn’t know dogs could swim faster than kids, and 2) how you look at your wife in certain situations can, well, affect other, certain areas of your relationship...for a long time. :)
 

Knightgang

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Where do I find more information about these "Documented Salvage Claims" on the other organization? I have a good freind that is looking to Tow Coverage as well and I want to sway him in the right direction.<br /><br />Thanks<br />Knightgang
 

alumistar

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hey knightgang, i know i live in a place where the biggest water is only 35 miles long and a couple thousand yards wide but, check with the BBB, most peoples probs are reported to them, there website has pretty extensive descriptions of peoples comments. as far as "coverage", that is insurance right? if so, then wouldn't having a kicker, and towing insurance be like having double coverage? and isn't double coverage worth it since you have kids? not trying to be an arse or anything, just that i have a 3y.o. boy that almost lost it when my motor wouldn't start and i had to paddle in, and that was only on a lake that was 2miles wide and about 3miles long. just the fact that he could see land in all directions didn't help at all. kids are finacky when it comes down to the hum of the motor. it calms them. anyway, sorry about that, you sounded like you were getting really frustrated because people were talking about kicker motors, i understand that, but it is coverage as well as towing coverage, and it's a one time cost :) however, i do suggest contacting the BBB, because if there is anything on "salvage rights" they will have it documented....hope that helps. p.s. i have been "towed in" in the past but here it costs you under all circumstances about 10 bucks from someone on the lake, or a 6-pack ya know. i couldn't imagine what some passer-by could charge you on open seas if they are having a bad day! :D
 

Knightgang

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I have an 8hp Johnson that I have considered using as a kicker, but my hull is pretty light and sits low in the stern already (IMO). I hate to add any additional weight on the transom, especially going offshore. I plan to be conservative and cautious on the trips, but even on intercoastal waterways, it is not like you can just get out and walk if you have a problem. <br /><br />I will look into the Salvage right claims, and at this point, I think that I will become a member of TowBoatUS. I emailed both the TowBoatUS and the SeaTow operations in my area to ask some questions, and only the TowBoat captain email back. That is a big plus in my book. And based on the comments added here, it does not look like it will be a regretfull decision. I just want to be sure that I will be with a VERY Respectful company, get my monies worth and reap as many benefits as I can for my hard earned dollars. (They do not some easy.)<br /><br />I actually thought I would have more responses to this thread, Is everyone in hybernation???<br /><br />Thanks for the comments, and in the spring I will be the proud toter of a TowBoatUS member card.<br /><br />Knightgang
 

cggcpa1

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I am a Boat Us member and broke down about 10 miles offshore last summer. I hailed Boat US on the vhf and they told me the closest boat they had was 40 miles away. I was told to sit tight..like I was going anywhere ! I did have the anchor out. About 20 min later they came back over the radio and told me they had contacted Sea Tow to come get me as they were closer. I was told to pay the Sea Tow bill ($375) and submit it to Boats US for reimbursment. I did so and they cut a check to me before I even got the credit card bill in the mail I used to pay Sea Tow with. I was very impressed how they went out of their way to help me. Best $100 I have spent in a while. :D
 

Fly Rod

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I really don't think it matters which one you go with. I'm pretty sure that if one has a salvage right clause the other probally does also. You are bassically going to go with the one in your harbor. As in my earlier post I have Boat U S this year but they are 20 water miles away and only puchased it because I was in a West marine store at the time. This year I'll be going with Sea Tow only because they operate out of my harbor.<br /><br />Also keep in mind that when a friend gives you a tow, any money or other compensation that you give him in the legal aspect he needs a captains license and a towing endorsement.<br />I've never heard of the coast guard ever writing anybody up for not having a towing license in my area.
 
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