Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

[Jwill]

I have an old 84 Toyota Celica that I changed the rear brakes on the other day. Since then i've had nothing but problems. I ended up having to change the brake booster because it apparently went out during the process (don't ask me why).<br />I even changed the master cylinder with a good used one. I'm sure the old one was good but I figured it wouldn't hurt. I even had problems with the old master cylinder.<br />Here's the problem: I can't bleed the brakes because I can't get fluid to either rear brake bleading valves. Fluid will shoot out the front bleeder valves but not the rear.<br />My girlfriend pumped the brakes till her leg was sore so I had to give it up.<br />I've changed brakes on many cars and never had a problem.<br />If I can't fix it I might end up donating it to Cuba so more refugees can get over here via car.<br />Did anyone see them floating over here on that 1951 chevy pickup? That was the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. They hooked up a prop to the drive line and was driving across the ocean to get here at about 6 mph.<br />Any ideas? I'm out of em.<br />Thanks

 

[DJ]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Jay,<br /><br />You have one of two problems.<br /><br />1. The valve in the master cylinder is past center. Meaning that it has cut off flow to the rear.<br /><br />2. Your Celica may have a brake load proportioning valve. Look on th rear axle for a lever attached to the axle and the body. That valve may be over center too.<br /><br />You will have to remove the master cyl. again and center the valve. Once done, crack open one front and one rear bleeder simultaniously.

 

[SoulWinner]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

To bleed the brakes on my Toyotas, I start by bleeding the master cylinder (there is a kit for bench bleeding them) then go the passenger side rear tire. Have some one pump the peddle until the cows come home. You will have to pump/ release about a million times just to get the fluid to the valve, then you can bleed the air out. Then go to the drivers side rear tire and repeat. Make sure you check the res. often because you don't want to suck air and have to start all over. Or get a vacuum pump (about $25.) and pump it yourself from the valve. It is a pain to set up, but I think it is the best and certainly the fastest way to do the job.

 

[DJ]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Jay,<br /><br />SoulWinner has some good suggestions. He is correct.<br /><br />You can make a master cylinder bleed kit with clear tubing and two brake bleeder screws. The trick is to keep recycling the brake fluid (no air allowed in) in the master cyl. until the air is all gone and the valve is centered.

 

[Jwill]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Thanks for the replys. I will try again today with your suggestions and hopefully I can get this car back on the road.

 

[Jwill]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Well I tried everyones suggestions. I couldn't find a proportioning valve in the rear so I pumped the pedal till the cows came home.<br />I have fluid coming out of all the lines (not squirting out but running out).<br />The car stops ok but the brake pedal is hard again.<br />I think the booster went out again. Is that the only thing that it can be? Do I have to do this all over again?<br />Thanks

 

[DJ]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Jay,<br /><br />Do you still have the old booster?<br /><br />If so, look at the actuator rod that goes from your old booster to the master cylinder and compare it to the new one. A pushrod that is too long, will cause all kinds of problems.

 

[Jwill]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

My old booster I used as a core so its gone.<br />I exchanged it with an identical booster.<br />If I remember right I don't think the rod was adjustable so I'm stuck with what I have.<br />I drove the car down the street and I can tell there is still alot of air in the lines so I'm going to bleed that out later when I have someone here to help. <br />The car is not mine so I'm not real positive how hard the break pedal was before but it does seem stiff.<br />I'm just going to bleed it and be done with it. I've put in to much time to try and get this p.o.s. going without much appreciation from the other party.<br />If I can't get it going good enough to get it out of here I will try and get more help from you.<br /><br />This forum has the widest range of knowledge on the net. With the help from everyone here I could build a boat and also a house with a garage to put it in. There's alot of smart rednecks here.<br />Thanks

 

[Kenneth Brown]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

Simple one man brake bleeder: Take a small jar with a lid and put a hole about 3/8 in the lid. Fill the jar about 1/2-3/4 full of brake fluid. Put a piece of tubing onto your bleeder screw and the other end into the jar, making sure its at the bottom. Set the jar on the ground and open the bleeder screw half a turn. Fill the MC reservor and start pumping. After about 15 pumps go to the next wheel and start over. I always start with the wheel closest to the MC and move away. As stated before make sure that you keep both the reservor and the jar full.

 

[ebbtide176]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

There's alot of smart rednecks here.

what can we say? ....

 

[ebbtide176]

Re: Toyota Celica brake bleeding question

that is pretty much what separates us from the children.. lol