Trailer tire pressure.

guy74

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Re: Trailer tire pressure.

I've never seen a pressure increase in a tire when I put a load on it. I have equipment that carries over 50,000 lbs per tire when loaded and the pressure doesn't seem to increase when you put a load on them.
 

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Here's a hypethetical question, say you just changed the tire and aired it up to the max recomended pressure of 70psi, next you put that wheel on your trailer and drop 1000 lbs onto it, will the pressure remain at 70lbs or will it increase and put it over the max.
The laws of physics dictate that it will increase the pressure, BUT; contained air exerts the same pressure in all directions, and so the extra weight is spread over the entire inner surface of the tire AND the rim, it amounts to a couple ounces per sq inch.
 

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Adjusting air pressure based on load is a rediculous bother. A large number of folks maybe check trailer tire pressure in the spring or prior to first use of that trailer and it doesn't get checked again until they have a blowout or flat. People simply neglect that simple task. Since they don't check pressure on a regular basis, they for darned sure are not going to adjust it for the load, and for darned sure are not going to know what the inflation looks like, where it is or how to interpret it. Sorry for the negativity but we have a generation of people that can't read a ruler closer than "about". Especially with a boat trailer, one travels with it loaded (generally close to its maximum load) far more than without the boat so what's the point about adjusting the air pressure downward (granted that's an extreme). Trailers haul loads and one does not typically run them empty over long distances only to have to air up the tires when one places a load in it again. My Shorelander manual has no mention of adjusting air pressure for load but it does indicate maximum load and maximum inflation pressure to carry that load. That's repeated on the tire decal on the trailer. If you check the inflation pressure card in your car you will likely find two pressures: One for light load and one for heavy load. Guess why! Its simply for ride and handling purposes and not because of tire wear.
 

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Adjusting air pressure based on load is a rediculous bother. A large number of folks maybe check trailer tire pressure in the spring or prior to first use of that trailer and it doesn't get checked again until they have a blowout or flat. People simply neglect that simple task. Since they don't check pressure on a regular basis, they for darned sure are not going to adjust it for the load, and for darned sure are not going to know what the inflation looks like, where it is or how to interpret it. Sorry for the negativity but we have a generation of people that can't read a ruler closer than "about". Especially with a boat trailer, one travels with it loaded (generally close to its maximum load) far more than without the boat so what's the point about adjusting the air pressure downward (granted that's an extreme). Trailers haul loads and one does not typically run them empty over long distances only to have to air up the tires when one places a load in it again. My Shorelander manual has no mention of adjusting air pressure for load but it does indicate maximum load and maximum inflation pressure to carry that load. That's repeated on the tire decal on the trailer. If you check the inflation pressure card in your car you will likely find two pressures: One for light load and one for heavy load. Guess why! Its simply for ride and handling purposes and not because of tire wear.

I disagree, especially on your last 3 sentences, the sticker doesn't mean just for ride, & handling purposes, it's also regarding treadwear, it's a Fact, if you deviate from the recommended pressure, overinflation will cause the middle of the tread to wear out prematurely, underinflation will cause the edges of the tread to wear out prematurely. As I stated previously, this is what I've found to be true over the years, and what I believe, regardless of what vehicle the tire is on.
 

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I have been reading more and from what I found, the load range tables are meant for 13" - 20" tires used predominantly on RV's and Motor Coaches. Those type tires do lend themselvs to be loaded at different PSI to match their application. The load table referenced from the Goodyear site does not list tires in the 8" to 12" size, it starts with 13".

The info I had been posting earlier was specifically directed at the 8, 10 and 12" trailer tires commonly found on boat trailers. They are high pressure tires with a relativally narrow tread and very stiff sidewall designed to be run at their max pressure all the time.

It seems that once the tire diameter crosses over to 13" and larger, the whole design and use of the tire is different than the 12" and under tire. Generally speaking, 8 through 12" tires are not used on large campers or construction equipment type trailers where the tires fall into a very different use scenario.

I can tell you from experience, that when the 5:30 x 12 load range C tires were not inflated to the max rating of 80 psi to support 1050 lbs each tire, they ran very hot after a 4 hour tow. The loaded trailer weighs 1600lbs and the tires had 60-65 psi. On the return trip with 80 psi, the tires were much cooler to the touch after 4 hours of highway towing.

I learn something new every day. :)

BTW, this info is from Carlisle Tire:

? Keep your tires air pressure at the Maximum PSI recommended on the sidewall of the tire
? Keep a cap on your valve stem to prevent contamination of the internal rubber valve
? Always travel with a spare and check your spare tires air pressure along with the other tires
? If you experience a blowout, slowly move over to the right off the road to change your tire and check the other tires for
possible damage
? Don’t overload your Trailer Tires. The maximum load is listed on the sidewall of your Trailer Tires
? Give your Trailer Tires a visual check before each trip
? Keep your Trailer Tires in a cool dry place and out of direct sunlight during storage
? Replace your Trailer Tires every 3 to 5 years
 

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I do NOT find that newer Car and Truck tires are all that fussy about wearing evenly with different tire pressures

I run 44 PSI max rated tires at 40 PSI and the OEM set was good for 60,000 miles and could not have worn more evenly :confused:


I have never seen a Boat trailer tire wear out the tread :confused: so i just run them FULL with good results

Tommays
 

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This entire thread deals with boat trailers. If a poll was taken I suspect that zero percent of the respondents lowered the air pressure (and to what level if they did) when they towed their boat trailer from home to the cabin or the other way around. Its simply rediculous to expect a tire to wear extensively in the center when it's unloaded. If you dragged that trailer around the country unloaded most of the time it will likely show some tread wear. I also suggest you contact a few contractors and see if they air down their trailer tires when they travel empty. Do over the road truckers air down all 18 wheels when they travel empty. Of course not. I simply can't fathom anyone risking tire failure from under inflation just to save a little tread wear (if that's even an issue). Unless someone posts some real data to back up their claim that there is a safety or significant tread wear savings, I stand by my "air up" for safety philosophy. And the two ratings on the car tire decal is definitely NOT for tread wear. The loaded figure is so the tires can safely handle the heavier load. Again, since the car typically has one or two people in it most of the time, ride and handling are what they are based on the manufacturers directed pressures. Heavier loads mean at those pressures the tires may fall below the rated capacity at that pressure. But this is opposite of a boat trailer. Boat trailers are loaded more than empty.
 

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Let us also remember that there are no shocks on the AXLE and the tire with low air pressure would be more likely to stay bouncy


I have seen many a car hopping with bad shocks :(



Tommays

I doubt it, I think the opposite is true, take for example a basket ball that's underinflated it's "dead" but inflate it fully, and it will bounce way better, same as a tire. Maximum inflation on a tire to me is a blowout waiting to happen.
 

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This entire thread deals with boat trailers. If a poll was taken I suspect that zero percent of the respondents lowered the air pressure (and to what level if they did) when they towed their boat trailer from home to the cabin or the other way around. Its simply rediculous to expect a tire to wear extensively in the center when it's unloaded. If you dragged that trailer around the country unloaded most of the time it will likely show some tread wear. I also suggest you contact a few contractors and see if they air down their trailer tires when they travel empty. Do over the road truckers air down all 18 wheels when they travel empty. Of course not. I simply can't fathom anyone risking tire failure from under inflation just to save a little tread wear (if that's even an issue). Unless someone posts some real data to back up their claim that there is a safety or significant tread wear savings, I stand by my "air up" for safety philosophy. And the two ratings on the car tire decal is definitely NOT for tread wear. The loaded figure is so the tires can safely handle the heavier load. Again, since the car typically has one or two people in it most of the time, ride and handling are what they are based on the manufacturers directed pressures. Heavier loads mean at those pressures the tires may fall below the rated capacity at that pressure. But this is opposite of a boat trailer. Boat trailers are loaded more than empty.

Silvertip, Ok, talking boat trailers, Who rides around the country with an empty boat trailer??? :rolleyes: I usually just take it from the ramp, and back again empty, and for the little bit I do that it doesn't matter how much pressure is in the tires, I'd guess this is how most people do it. Although I keep my tires at the right pressure for the load, not inflated to the Max. Also, the manufacturers load tag on a vehicle indirectly pertains to tire wear, because it keeps the full tread, in full contact with the ground at that load, and air pressure for that vehicle, hence theoretical even tread wear, and best traction, ride, & handling.
 

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..... Maximum inflation on a tire to me is a blowout waiting to happen.....

How do you explain/support that possition when it is in direct conflict with instructions from the people who made and warrentee the tire?
 

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How do you explain/support that possition when it is in direct conflict with instructions from the people who made and warrentee the tire?

Mark, From what you said about 12" size and smaller tires should be run at Max inflation is true, and I don't doubt it, I would run them that way also, but otherwise, I'll figure the maximum load, at maximum inflation, and divide by my load, then inflate to just what I need. That's usually the way I've always done it.

If each tire will hold 1500lbs max load, at 44lbs max inflation = 3000lbs @ 44lbs, and my total load is 1500lbs then I would inflate to 22 lbs per tire.

Or take my Tucson for example, 4 tires each 215/65/16" tire rated at 1653lbs and 44lbs Max X 4tires = 6612lbs
But, unloaded weight 3500lbs + (5 people & gas) total about 1000lbs = is only 4500lbs fully loaded, it works out to be 30lbs per tire as it says right on the sticker!
Even though, it's only my wife, & I, and a light load most of the time.
 

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No one, that I know, lowers the pressure in trailer tires because the boat is off, no matter how far they tow it. Everyone, that I know, fills trailer tires to the max recommended PSI. I hope the OP isn't confused.
 

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No one, that I know, lowers the pressure in trailer tires because the boat is off, no matter how far they tow it. Everyone, that I know, fills trailer tires to the max recommended PSI. I hope the OP isn't confused.
Without the boat, a trailer is so light that tire wear is negligible, even with the tread center pushed out a bit, so there's no reason to bleed air.

Is that "max recommended PSI" according to tire manufacturer, or trailer manufacturer?

My 15" ST tires are rated at 65 psi max, it will bounce the boat over a slight bump in the road at that pressure. I run 50 PSI according to the trailer sticker on the tongue.
 

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the heck with it !!...i think i'll just take the darn tires off and run on the rims, don't have to worry about air then !!....lol lol....great discussion here guys and really gets ya thinking...my thinking right now is with the "air those babies up group"...
 

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Mark, From what you said about 12" size and smaller tires should be run at Max inflation is true, and I don't doubt it, I would run them that way also, but otherwise, I'll figure the maximum load, at maximum inflation, and divide by my load, then inflate to just what I need. That's usually the way I've always done it.

If each tire will hold 1500lbs max load, at 44lbs max inflation = 3000lbs @ 44lbs, and my total load is 1500lbs then I would inflate to 22 lbs per tire.

Or take my Tucson for example, 4 tires each 215/65/16" tire rated at 1653lbs and 44lbs Max X 4tires = 6612lbs

But, fully loaded weight 3500lbs + (5 people & gas) total about 1000lbs = is only 4500lbs, it works out to be 30lbs per tire as it says right on the sticker!
Even though, it's only my wife, & I, and a light load most of the time.

This post is rather long but I hope many of you out there take the time to read it. I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject. My understanding of the topic is garnered from years of interest in the subject of tires and pressures, reading a vast amount of information, and my own experiences.

I don't post very often, but felt compelled to do so in this thread. Mikdee, please understand I mean no disrespect or attack on you personally but running any tire at 22 pounds routinely, is absolutely "a blowout waiting to happen."

Remembering Ford/Firestone debacle, Ford was recommending just 26 pounds in the Firestone tires on Explorers here in the US. In South America they recommended a higher pressure. The lower pressure was to compensate for the harsher ride inherent in a truck at time when SUVs were just catching on and drivers were used to a more plush ride from the cars they were trading for their new SUVs.

Now heres the important point that you also touched on: the car manufacturer recommended pressure is a not a "fully loaded" pressure. It weighs several variables that have been mentioned in this thread, such as ride and tread life. The problem with Ford was that the 26 pounds they were recommending was for normal use, meaning just a driver and one passenger or so. The tires were blowing because 26 pounds might be just barely OK in an unloaded condition, but round up the troops for a trip to Costco with four or five passengers and cargo, and 26 pounds is a dangerously low pressure to be running. In that condition, the maximum pressure from the tire's sidewall, likely 35 or 44 psi is necessary for safety. As a result of the fallout from the tire problems Ford increased the recommended pressure for the Explorer to a safer level.

30 psi on your Tuscon seems low to me, but that pressure is the one Hyundai recommends for the exact tire they put on it at the factory. All tires are not created equal, just ask someone here about the difference between trailer tires and car tires. The OEM Tuscon tires might be tough tires with strong sidewalls that can deal with what I feel is a low pressure. In that case Hyundai probably knows better. But change that tire to a new one that is not the same tire as the OEM and it is a different story. How many of us have the factory tires on our trailers and other vehicles? I know I don't. Now we have to determine what the right pressure is with a different tire.

As for what I do, I have always run tires at or near the max pressure listed on the tire itself. A 44 psi tire I run at 40, a 35 I run at 35. I think on my truck running my 44psi Firestone Indy500's makes for too harsh a ride so I go with 40. That is in the face of Chevy recommending just 32. I have worn down many a set of tires bald, perfectly evenly, getting at least the warranted mileage out of them and sometimes drastically more. My wife's Mustang got around 55,000 miles out of a set of Goodyear Eagle GA's, at the max pressure. My last set of Firestones got about the same mileage at 40psi even though I drive like an idiot most of the time (that means going way to fast around corners mostly).

And finally everyone remember the pressures listed whether it be from the car, trailer or tire manufacturer is a COLD pressure. That means check them before driving more than a mile during a moderately temperate part of the day. That is not the coldest part nor the hottest part of the day. A tire is a pretty tough piece of equipment, full of steel belts and other fibers covered in a synthetic rubber that can take a helluva lot more than 44psi.

I tell everyone I know to start with the max tire pressure listed on the tire itself and reduce it a couple of pounds, if you must, to even out a too harsh ride. Over-inflation is going over the max pressure on the tire not the car placard. I hope you all made it to the end, as this officially qualifies as my longest internet post ever. Mikdee I hope you take no offense, and I would suggest running more pressure in your tires. But that is just my opinion. Thank you.
 

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Mark42 you have a great looking boat.
 

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I don't post very often, but felt compelled to do so in this thread. Mikdee, please understand I mean no disrespect or attack on you personally but running any tire at 22 pounds routinely, is absolutely "a blowout waiting to happen."

This illustration was only meant as an example, not to be taken to the bank!


Remembering Ford/Firestone debacle, Ford was recommending just 26 pounds in the Firestone tires on Explorers here in the US. In South America they recommended a higher pressure. The lower pressure was to compensate for the harsher ride inherent in a truck at time when SUVs were just catching on and drivers were used to a more plush ride from the cars they were trading for their new SUVs.

I'm sorry I never followed this topic at the time , because it didn't pertain to me, so I have no idea if that was the final solution?

Now heres the important point that you also touched on: the car manufacturer recommended pressure is a not a "fully loaded" pressure. It weighs several variables that have been mentioned in this thread, such as ride and tread life. The problem with Ford was that the 26 pounds they were recommending was for normal use, meaning just a driver and one passenger or so. The tires were blowing because 26 pounds might be just barely OK in an unloaded condition, but round up the troops for a trip to Costco with four or five passengers and cargo, and 26 pounds is a dangerously low pressure to be running. In that condition, the maximum pressure from the tire's sidewall, likely 35 or 44 psi is necessary for safety. As a result of the fallout from the tire problems Ford increased the recommended pressure for the Explorer to a safer level.

On my vehicle, the Tucson, that is the fully loaded tire pressure according to the sticker, and they are BFGoodrich Traction T/A 235/60/16" stock size tires, and pretty hefty tires for the compact size 3500lb unloaded weight of this vehicle.

30 psi on your Tuscon seems low to me, but that pressure is the one Hyundai recommends for the exact tire they put on it at the factory. All tires are not created equal, just ask someone here about the difference between trailer tires and car tires. The OEM Tuscon tires might be tough tires with strong sidewalls that can deal with what I feel is a low pressure. In that case Hyundai probably knows better. But change that tire to a new one that is not the same tire as the OEM and it is a different story. How many of us have the factory tires on our trailers and other vehicles? I know I don't. Now we have to determine what the right pressure is with a different tire.

As for what I do, I have always run tires at or near the max pressure listed on the tire itself. A 44 psi tire I run at 40, a 35 I run at 35. I think on my truck running my 44psi Firestone Indy500's makes for too harsh a ride so I go with 40. That is in the face of Chevy recommending just 32. I have worn down many a set of tires bald, perfectly evenly, getting at least the warranted mileage out of them and sometimes drastically more. My wife's Mustang got around 55,000 miles out of a set of Goodyear Eagle GA's, at the max pressure. My last set of Firestones got about the same mileage at 40psi even though I drive like an idiot most of the time (that means going way to fast around corners mostly).

And finally everyone remember the pressures listed whether it be from the car, trailer or tire manufacturer is a COLD pressure. That means check them before driving more than a mile during a moderately temperate part of the day. That is not the coldest part nor the hottest part of the day. A tire is a pretty tough piece of equipment, full of steel belts and other fibers covered in a synthetic rubber that can take a helluva lot more than 44psi.

True, I know to always check my tire pressure cold, by the way, as I recall a tire gains up to 4lbs pressure once it gets to ambient temperature, or above, so now you're running above the maximum inflation pressure of the tire, do you recommend that? do you really think that's safe?

I tell everyone I know to start with the max tire pressure listed on the tire itself and reduce it a couple of pounds, if you must, to even out a too harsh ride. Over-inflation is going over the max pressure on the tire not the car placard. I hope you all made it to the end, as this officially qualifies as my longest internet post ever. Mikdee I hope you take no offense, and I would suggest running more pressure in your tires. But that is just my opinion. Thank you.

No Thank you, I think although the recommended 30lbs tire pressure for "maximum load" in my vehicle, is 30lbs, I usually keep it at 35lbs for better gas milage, even though it's usually either only my wife, or I, or both of us in the vehicle, any more pressure then that, I figure I'll be wearing out the centers of my tires, that's usually what happens with overinflation.
 

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True, I know to always check my tire pressure cold, by the way, as I recall a tire gains up to 4lbs pressure once it gets to ambient temperature, or above, so now you're running above the maximum inflation pressure of the tire, do you recommend that? do you really think that's safe?

The added PSI at operating temperature is anticipated and allowed for in tire design. Low pressure causes heat build-up and heat kills tires. Tires inflated to their maximum, also stand a better chance of surviving road hazards.

By far, most posters here agree that trailer tires should be inflated to the maximum PSI as stated on the sidewall. For those that don't get it, who cares?
 

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.. it's a Fact, if you deviate from the recommended pressure, over inflation will cause the middle of the tread to wear out prematurely, under inflation will cause the edges of the tread to wear out prematurely.

Well, I've garnered a few Facts over the years, too. I've owner a trailered boat since 1968, from 16' to 22', 9" wheels to 15", single axle and double axles with brakes, 500# loading to more than 5000#, travel varied from 5 miles to 225 miles per trip (the longest trips are also with the biggest/heaviest rig), and religiously keep cold air pressure at the manufacturer's recommended cold inflation pressure (as recommended by a long forgotten dealer after a blowout in my first year). Fact: I've never had to replace a tire from excessive center wear. Fact: I've never had to replace a tire from excessive shoulder wear not caused by poor alignment. Fact: I've never had a blowout (since the one in '68). Fact: I've never had a bearing failure, something not uncommon when tires are UNDER-INFLATED. Fact: I've only replaced tires due to side-wall cracks, road damage, or uneven wear caused by alignment. Fact: I've probably put in excess of 200k miles on my trailers over the intervening 40 years since I dropped my first thou$and on a boat. Note to self: if what you do works, don't screw it up by taking anything from a single manufacturer as inviolate gospel ... ;)
 

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Well outsider you must be talking primarily about trailer tires, then it must be a FACT, that trailer tires are a different animal then auto, or truck tires, So, I won't bother to argue the point, and take the majorities advice, and fill them to the max pressure rated on the tire, But on cars, & trucks, I intend to keep doing as I always have been for 45yrs, and adjust the tire pressure according to the maximum load for the vehicle as per manufacturers recommendations! plus maybe a few more pounds for fuel economy, (nowadays) so that my tires wear fairly evenly across the thread, and the last sentence is a known Fact!
 
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