Treated wood & Corrosion...

RyanB

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So, I've been reading here and there about how you shouldnt use treated wood as whatever you put through it will corrode unless you use specific materials such as Galvanized nails and whatnot.<br /><br />Is Maring grade plywood the same? It is treated right? Or is it treated with something different?<br /><br />I'm not sure I have seen galvanized wood screws. However I have seen "Gold" screws at home improvement places. They are coated with something. Would those be safe to use with treated wood?<br /><br />I feel more comfortable using a treated wood, as I have to attach seats and other items to the floor and this opens up area's where water can seep in at times. It would be best to use treated wood here right?<br /><br />~Ryan
 

andy6374

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Marine grade is what you want, marine ply is not pressure treated in any way. Some here will advise to use good exterior ply, but marine ply is superior any way you slice it.<br /><br />what exactly are you trying to do? Put a new floor in?
 

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Any hardware you use should be stainless, bronze or brass. <br /><br />The "gold" screws you see are cadmium plated, but still not suitable for a boat. Neither is galvanized.<br /><br />I never understood why some guys will invest hundreds of hours in a boat project and try to save a few bux by using steel hardware and non-marine plywood. Same with wiring for a salt water environment.<br /><br />I have removed and discarded a bazillion steel screws and BCX plywood pieces from RED SKY. She was used in salt water. I have had to replace all wiring (residential style), too. All of the BCX has been replaced by marine mahogany plywood or solid mahogany.<br /><br />There are two previously galvanized screws still there. I can't budge them and they are through the glass and into the mahogany plywood anchor underneath. I will leave them until they fail, then cut around them and put mahogany plugs in to hold the new SS screws.<br /><br />Please forgive the rambling. Bottom line, use marine grade everything or you will have to rip it out and do it over eventually.
 

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Re: Treated wood & Corrosion...

Yep! I am going to put in a new floor. In the final stages of riping it out and removing the foam.<br /><br />Hrm. Stainless screws. I honestly dont think I've ever seen those at a hardware store. Will I have to goto a boating specialist store of some sort?<br /><br />Thanks!
 

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The hardware store will surely have stainless screws. Get some stainless deck screws with a star bit or square bit head.<br /><br />You going to need get yourself some resin of whatever type poly,vinyl,epoxy. An assortment of fiberglass materials, ie 1.5 oz mat and I like to use DB biaxles like 1708 or 1808DB. I wouldn't put anyless than 3 layers of something heavy like the 1708 or woven roven, then with a couple finish layers of mat.<br /><br />Are you going to pour more foam? What supported the floor previously? What are the condition of your stringers?
 

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The stringers are fiberglass with foam in them. Interesting design. Made by Bellboy.<br /><br />I'll be using pour in closed cell foam(Yes quite expensive).<br /><br />I'll check for the stainless deck screws at the local Wilco. Thanks for the tip!<br /><br />~Ryan
 

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pressure treated wood is not treated to prevent rot, it treated to deter wood destroying insects, like termites. the chenical now used is extremely corrosive.
 

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Pressure treated ply doesn't prevent rot? Many boatbuilders use Greenwood ply for stringers and floors. They warranty against rot for lifetime. <br /><br />Greenwood Products marine ply info...<br /> <br />XL® panels have been used in North America since 1985 and have proven themselves in virtually millions of boats, both large and small. The product has since expanded into applications such as bus floors, manure spreaders and permanent wood foundations- and not just in North America. <br /><br /><br />XL® Panels essentially deprive wood destroying organisms of one of the four needed components for them to survive. XL® treated wood robs the organisms of the plywood panels as a food source.<br /><br />The CCA treating process used in manufacturing XL® Panels results in the chemicals becoming chemically altered within the wood, becoming insoluble, or fixed.<br /><br />XL® Panels are easy to work with, with the material delivered dry without residual wetness associated with other preservative treatment methods. Contact Greenwood Products for specific information or technical support.<br /><br /> Specifications <br />Preservative: Chromated Copper Arsenate - Oxide formulation or equal.<br /><br />Sizes: Standard thickness 1/4" through 1 1/2" in full 4' x 8' sheets. Also available in most widths and lengths up to and including 8' wide by 50' long.<br /><br />Glue Bond: Marine-type high solid content exterior glue.<br /><br />Surface: Tight-knotted high grade C face and back.<br /><br />Moisture Content: Kiln dried after treating in a controlled environment to 13 percent or less to assure uniform stability and flatness.<br /><br />Estimated Shipping Weight: 4'x 8' sheets. <br />1/4" 24 lbs.. per sheet<br />3/8" 31 lbs.. per sheet<br />1/2" 43 lbs.. per sheet<br />5/8" 54 lbs.. per sheet<br />3/4" 64 lbs.. per sheet<br />1" 82 lbs.. per sheet<br />1-1/2" 131 lbs.. per sheet<br /><br />Identification: Each panel will be stamped with the XL® seal of quality and year of manufacture.<br /><br />Warranty<br />The XL® preservative treating process allows designers and other industrial specifiers to take advantage of the benefits of structural plywood without the fear of decay. <br /><br />Decay in wood (often referred to as "dry rot") occurs when fungi encounter the following conditions. Remove any one and decay cannot take place.<br /><br />The presence of moisture or high humidity<br />Typically wood that is 20% moisture content or less is not susceptible to decay. Components in boats often exceed 20% due to rain or direct contact with water, such as in bilge areas and carpeted decking. In many regions of the world, high atmospheric humidity has a tendency to accelerate decay in wood, if not properly addressed. Where water from washing a bus floor is trapped between the rubber or vinyl flooring and the plywood, rot is a factor, and a given in areas of high humidity.<br /><br />Food for the fungi (wood).<br /><br />Oxygen (wood, in deep water for instance, will not rot due to the lack of oxygen).<br /><br />A supportive temperature. Fungi, for instance, become dormant or non-existent in sub-zero temperatures.
 

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Re: Treated wood & Corrosion...

bill, the XL ply is not the common pt ply found in the home improvement stores. it's a special order item.
 

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Re: Treated wood & Corrosion...

Well I wouldnt expect to find Marine GRade Ply at the local home depot...<br /><br />In fact, I havent a clue where I would go to find it. I better start lookin!
 

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Greenwood XL ply uses the same pt chemicals as any pt ply. Rot spore growth is inhibited by pt chemicals. The only difference with Greenwood is they dry the wood to a specific moisture content at the factory. It eliminates air drying.<br /><br />Regular marine ply is sold at Lowe's and HomeDepot where I live.
 
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