Trends in Marine Electronics

swist

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Being possibly in the position to outfit a new boat with electronics and not having a fortune left over, I was very surprised to see that marine electronics lately seem to be getting more expensive after decades of price dropping. Seems to be that everyone wants color displays, cartographic GPS systems, and/or integrated systems. Has anyone noticed the prices of these integrated systems are MORE than the sum of the less expensive individual systems of a couple of years ago. And talk about single points of failure - I'm not sure I want to lose ALL my electronics if the one integrated display goes down. I'm not sure I like all this....
 

snapperbait

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Re: Trends in Marine Electronics

I hear ya loud and clear, Swist...<br /><br />Color... I can see the need for color in a depthfinder for the serious fisherman and even in radar too, but not on a chartplotter....<br /><br />Don't like the integrated stuff either.. Stupid NEMA junk :mad: , all greek to me... Just complicates the mess.. You have one display, it goes out, you lost everything! Nope, give me each one seperately thank you...<br /><br />Furuno, Raymarine, Simrad, Garmin, Lowrance, H-bird... Are you guys listening?........
 

Kesh

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Re: Trends in Marine Electronics

Yesterday returned to home channels from a 5 miles away beach on an island just using my etrex handheld gps and compass. It was raining heavy and shore was totally covered by fog, so all the trip was "blind", and the shore contours went visible only when less than a mile close. Many times I have been thinking in installing a sturdy GPS only device, permanently besides my fix vhf radio and having the etrex as a backup, just the same as I always have a handheld marine radio as backup.<br /><br />I like individual systems, with portable backups and always enough new batteries oboard for the backup devices. My boat is small, but I like to be safe all the time. Also, I love to be able to replace an individual system anytime, when damaged or when I want more features. I apply the same philosophy to home devices, computers, etc.
 

JB

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Re: Trends in Marine Electronics

GPS has freed people who aren't expert navigators or pilots to explore unfamiliar waters in reasonable safety.<br /><br />Chartplotting GPS added another dimension by helping you around islands and into correct channels.<br /><br />Color display, chartplotting GPS can be read in bright sunlight.<br /><br />Worth every cent.<br /><br />I am less enamored with high-end sonars, but I'll bet a lot of fishermen are much more successful because of them.<br /><br />Just one old boater's opinion.
 

Stumpknocker

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Re: Trends in Marine Electronics

Kesh, I subscribe to that theory myself. I use a RAM mount next to my VHF radio. It holds a Lowrance Marine handheld GPS that runs off of AA batteries. I have a backup unit in a waterproof box just in case and several packs of AA batteries. Never failed yet. Makes more room, less wires in a small boat. KISS works.
 

ThomWV

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Re: Trends in Marine Electronics

Actually not only do I like integrated and network systems but I don't see any problem with the pricing either.<br /><br />Last year I moved up the scale with a new fish finder, having just put radar on the boat a couple of months earlier. Everything on my boat was a stand alone unit, including the chartplotter and the backup GPS, the two radios, the fish finder, the auto pilot, and the radar. Both GPS units were Garmins and both radios were ICOM's but everything else was made by a different manufacturer. I'm mighty glad for NMEA myself. If it weren't for the standard none of this stuff would be able to talke to each other and of course the Auto Pilot's functionality would be less than half of what it is. NMEA allows all of them to make all of the others more useful, and all it took was a little bit of my time and some solder. Of course that's just an integrated system.<br /><br />When I was buying the new fish finder I looked at what it would have cost me to simply go to the NAVNET system. It would have been cheaper to have the integrated system and if I had wanted to I could have put the money into a second display, which would do away with much of the concern about a single point of failure. The only thing that stopped me was that I had just put out the money for the Radar (Raytheon) and I had the exact same fish finder (Furuno 582L) the NAVNET system would have given me. My chartplotter (Garmin 2006) was probably better than the one I would have been using with the NAVNET system and of course I would have had to use C-Maps instead of BlueCharts, and that was something I didn't want either. The bottom line was that the Integrated system would have cost me about $300 less than I had paid for individual pieces of equipment, when I added it all up. As for the other stuff, I don't know where you're comming from but I've seen nothing but price stability or even decreases in the equipment I look at. I paid $1,400 for my fish finder a year ago and I could buy them all day long for $1,200 each now. My Radar cost $1,400 almost two years ago and you could buy the exact same model (Raytheon SL-72) today for the same money, or buy the equal from Furuno (1712) for about the same price. Both of my radios (M-127 and M-59) have been discontinued but the models that replaced them are actually less expensive than they were when I bought them a couple of years ago. Antennas still cost a hundred and a quarter, or less, if you want a good one, I could buy the same Auto Pilot I have on line this evening for within a dollar of what I paid for mine 5 years ago.<br /><br />Thom
 
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