Trim and tilt stuck up

oldglastron

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I finally got a engine to replace my old one it is a 85hp V4 1979 the trim and tilt are stuck in the up position the motor makes noise in both positions of the switch the motor will not lower I opened the hard line going to the center ram and fluid comes out milky white I am guessing water got it the pump.
what type of fluid do I use to change it. thankyou
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

Stuck up huh? Had a girl friend like that once, been married to her now for about 46 years. Right now, she's almost tolerable (grin). Now, to your problem.......

That problem is usually caused by trailering the engine in the up position without having the engine locked down. The constant jumping up and down action of the engine when trailering causes the oil pressure to exceed the maximum output pressure of the oil pump. The cure is..........

First, lock/support that engine in the up position so that it cannot fall. If you fail to do this, have your health insurance paid up.

Now, notice on the left rear portion of the PTT unit a large slotted check valve...... remove it and also the springs and shuttle check valve behind it.

Notice the hole in the back portion of that check valve, and find a punch that will insert into it without damaging the sides of that sealing hole.

Looking inside the area where you removed that check valve, you will see the backside of another identical check valve. Insert that punch you picked out into the hole of that check valve and tap it with a hammer, tap hard enough so that the pressure on the other side of it is relieved. If you do it right, a small amount oil will come flying out of it...... so keep your face out of the way (been there, done that).

After relieving that pressure, install the shuttle valve and that check valve. The unit should now function if all else is well. Let us know.

NOTE: Proper method of trailering is to lower the engine with the PTT unit and have the TRIM rams pulled in all the way. When the TRIM rams are pulled in to there maximum point and the engine jerks slightly and changes pitch, STOP, let go of the button! Now, just for a miliscond, the slighest touch, hit the up button. This relieves the pressure slightly BUT at the same time secures the engine so that it is impossible for that pumping action to take place again.
 

oldglastron

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

thankyou Joe,
It now functions properly and I got the engine for $200 cheaper as it was not working when I bought it. It takes awile for it to go up and down I think the fluid is low now because some was drained. I am avoiding operating it until I can get fluid what type of hydrolic fluid is it and where do I get it I am ordering a book this weekend.I would like to get this done.Did I mention I love this forum you guys help so many people.
 

david_r

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

i was told that trans fluid will work.

after i replaced the seals around my trim rams i changed the oil and used the regular tnt oil cost $10 tranny fluid is cheaper!
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

Have engine fully tilted up. Fill reservoir to overflowing. Unit is self bleeding. Refill as needed.
 

oldglastron

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

well its now leaking out of one of the small rams my friend does hydrolics I think I am going to rebuild the unit (o rings seals) it can't be a whole lot different than power steering racks on cars Ive done my share of those.
My new question is can I get a master overhaul kit somewhere or do I have to pick all the o rings out of the BRP fische. I couldnt't find a listing on the page for a seal kit if there is a kit and someone knows the OMC/BRP number the help would be appreciated. what type of ATF (dex merc 1,2or3) or does it matter just ATF.
 

oldglastron

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

Sorry you didnt specify if it was auto or manual fluid and what type?
 

wavrider

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

check your manual, mine calls for Dexron tranny fluid.
 

david_r

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Re: Trim and tilt stuck up

i went to my boat store and asked for a complete kit and it was no longer available but one of the mechs said it was the same as a 90 something.....it had about 50 orings in it. so i started asking questions on the forums and ended up buying only the parts i needed for the trim rams;

2-321715, 2-319662, 2-122494, 2-326649. i did both trim rams in less than 10mins and cost around $20. thanks again for the help and the part #s joe reeves.

mines a '79 115 but i think the #s are the same you can make sure on shopevinrude.com.

the part #s on the diagram are 70,27, 65,79......#79 0553217 changed to 326649

yes auto tranny fluid-dextron
 
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