Trim Cylinder Seal Kit Needed

kinggabbo

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Does anyone know where to get or have a trim cylinder seal kit for a 1996 Force 120HP motor SN: OE156263? I have looked everywhere and the part has been discontinued and nobody has it.
 

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Does anyone know where to get or have a trim cylinder seal kit for a 1996 Force 120HP motor SN: OE156263? I have looked everywhere and the part has been discontinued and nobody has it.

Not sure what parts are available near you, but I just re-sealed my '91 trim/tilt system last week. I removed all of the seals and took them to a shop here that does hydraulic work and purchased all the needed seals for less than $5 total.

Ken
 

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I overhauled my tilt cylinder on my 1987 Force 125.....disassembled it, brought o-rings and seals , AND the cylinder parts to my local hydraulic supply house... less than $4.00 ......it's all standard stuff... and all they needed to know is what fluid is to be used.... for proper o-ring and seal composites...
 

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all but three seals are standard orings. The ideal material is Viton since it will resist chemical additives. Except for 1988-1992 Prestolite you can use the same hydraulic oil as any bucket truck or bulldozer. 1988-1992 needs a thicker fluid to smooth out the down cycle on bigger engines. For them non-detergent 30W motor oil is ideal.

The piston shaft wipers are not standard o-rings. The tilt and shock use a poly scraper and the trim uses a brass scraper with rubber seal. Sometimes, but not always, the trim piston shaft o-ring should be replaced with a square ring to assist with sealing.

Regarding trim, tilt, & shock. They rarely leak down unless chemical additives have been introduced. The additives attack all seals equally. More often than not, if any of the slave cylinders leak down then the entire system should be rebuilt. This is especially true if you have an engine made by Mercury (early 90's). Even though manufacturer clearly says to use oil in their pump Mercury went cheap and used ATF (reddish colored fluid). When the trim ram fails on a Mercury made engine it is almost mandatory to have the pump rebuilt also.

If your system was made by Chrysler, Force, or USMarine then your rams rarely fail and bleed down is almost always fixed by a simple pump rebuild. Inspect your top seals on tilt and shock. If the plastic is still scraping off water and debris then your ram is 99% sure to be okay. If the plastic scraper is torn or cracking then ram should be rebuilt as soon as possible (before water gets in and rusts out your bypass springs). If you system is Mercury with Eaton pump and bleeding down then you should consider a complete overhaul. The Eaton pump usually doesn't fail until cheap atf starts causing trim rings to crumble.
 

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Re: Trim Cylinder Seal Kit Needed

Thanks for all the replies. I finally found the Seal Kit recommended by Mercury at Plano Marine here in Dallas. Expensive for a few O-rings and springs and other little stuff but at least I know it'll be the right stuff.

RRitt, the tilt/trim is not leaking down(as in slowly lowering over time) I don't think. It it just leaking fluid (I think just out the top of cylinder) and once enough fluid it gone it won't trim up until you add more fluid. Do you think it is just the seals or some of the other things you mentioned?
 

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Well installed the whole reseal kit this weekend. Took it out and no leaks so far! Trim goes up and down well it looks like. Hopefully that fixed it.

An easy job if you have these two tools: the spanner wrench and the lock ring pliers with grip on them. Make sure you have those if you ever want to try to do this.
 

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Well installed the whole reseal kit this weekend. Took it out and no leaks so far! Trim goes up and down well it looks like. Hopefully that fixed it.

An easy job if you have these two tools: the spanner wrench and the lock ring pliers with grip on them. Make sure you have those if you ever want to try to do this.

as long as you examined the bolts then you should be good to go. On bigger engines they tend to break if re-used. You could replace them one by one with the trim still mounted on boat if you have doubts.
 

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as long as you examined the bolts then you should be good to go. On bigger engines they tend to break if re-used. You could replace them one by one with the trim still mounted on boat if you have doubts.

RRitt, Which bolts are these again? I don't really remember messing with any bolts. Maybe I call them something else.
 

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RRitt, Which bolts are these again? I don't really remember messing with any bolts. Maybe I call them something else.

the five bolts that hold the trim cylinder together. they can snap. bigger engines put more stress than smaller. The fully threaded bolts are weaker than the ones with mostly solid shank. The best bet is to just replace them with a high grade stainless.
 

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There weren't any bolts that I could see. Then again, I just did the seal kit on it.
 

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There weren't any bolts that I could see. Then again, I just did the seal kit on it.

then you have single ram mercury style trim as also used on mariner and merc outboards. the only solid trend I have noticed on those regarding seals is that water will rust the check valve between manifold and cylinder housing.
 

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Can I get some help with the same issue you had with your trim cylinder. For what ever reason, when I went to let my up after sitting all winter, it went up very slow and my son had to lift up on it at the same time. Them motor got warm after lifting it up a couple of time. I checked the fluid and it is a little low. I don't see fluid on the cement where it has been stored. Can you help me out? Please! Does anyone know where to get or have a trim cylinder seal kit for a 1996 Force 120HP motor SN: OE136511? I have looked everywhere and the part has been discontinued and nobody has it. I can be reached at 316.305.6010 that's how important this is to me. Thanks
 
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kinggabbo

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Plano Marine in Texas had another of the seal kits I think. Look their number up online. I'll try to give you more info tomorrow when I get more time.
 

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Can I get some help with the same issue you had with your trim cylinder. For what ever reason, when I went to let my up after sitting all winter, it went up very slow and my son had to lift up on it at the same time. Them motor got warm after lifting it up a couple of time. I checked the fluid and it is a little low. I don't see fluid on the cement where it has been stored. Can you help me out? Please! Does anyone know where to get or have a trim cylinder seal kit for a 1996 Force 120HP motor SN: OE136511? I have looked everywhere and the part has been discontinued and nobody has it. I can be reached at 316.305.6010 that's how important this is to me. Thanks

I've rebuilt more than a few of those and I think that I made a listing of all the parts and sizes. Not sure where the listing is though. I'll check the Chrysler Force file in morning. Nonetheless, I'm sure it was all standard stuff. I can't remember whether it was metric or SAE but it was all industry standard sizes.

You can take it apart and then use a good digital caliper to read all the oring sizes. From there you can go to Grainger and get some fairly high quality BN70 orings. A local hydraulics shop may even be willing to sell good quality stuff in something other than bags of hundred.
 
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