Trim sender 3 wire

tfpkrman

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1999 Regal 1800 LSR. VOLVO/PENTA 4.3 SX. I installed the 2nd New sender. Still no luck. The sender needs to rotate 90 degrees to reach FULL UP to Full Down. Manually rotated sender and checked gauge.(Ohms are 190 Full up and 12 full down. Set sender to 12 with engine Full down. Install sender. Raise motor to Full Up and gauge only reads middle. I check ohms at sender and it was only 85ohms. What ever I try i only get Guage to go 1/2 way. Also the gauge does not always repeat when going up and down. I did notice the nob on end of sender is not a full Hex 1/2 inch. Does not fit snug in pivot bolt. I have to kinda push up on sender when tightening so it fits into the 12pt pivot pin. Sender is 3 wires but only 2 going to the gauge. 1white,2 black. I get zero ohms black to white. Black to black is only time I get a reading so I'm only using 2 blacks. Did hook up the white but there was no change. I HAVE NO MORE HAIR TO PULL OUT.
 

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Volvo parts look up lists the 3849411 trim sender for early SX-M transom shields, they list the 3594989 sender for later transoms. You have a later transom.
Maybe try a 3594989 sender.

The 3849411 trim sender is no longer in production per the Volvo web site.
 

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I have the 3849411 part . I bought 2 they both do same thing. It cross referenced from OEM 3855535 part. How would I know if gauge is bad? It does move but maybe its weak. Just guessing now. Trying to find Volvo Tech Support.
 

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are you buying Volvo parts or aftermarket?
the serial number you posted is for your drive. the trim sender is part of the TSK --- transom plate
volvo shows your TSK serial number as 4151056953 and says it's a SX-M
the part number 3855074 doesn't come up anywhere in the Volvo system, so I have no idea how that got you to the 3855535 that does update to 3849411
sorry you bought two of them.
But if you look up your transom serial number in Volvo's parts system. They want you to buy p/n 3594989 for your transom shield.

I would sure talk to whoever sold you 2nd one of these when the first one didn't work. If it was a Volvo dealer, maybe they will give you a refund and sell you the part that's listed in the Volvo parts guide.

I have heard that the 3 wire will work in place of the 2 wire, but have never tried it myself.

Volvo usually refers all tech support calls to the dealer.
 

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I got the part number off the one I took out of the tr ansom after I bought it used. I doughty the owner installed the wrong part. I still have the one I took out 3855535 and cross referenced and bought aftermarket part. 2 of them. They were only 60 bucks. Guess I will try and find that part number you gave me and see what the ohm range. My pivot pin only rotates 45 degrees and the resistance does not change enough to move gauge from up to down. The sender needs to move 90 degrees to move the gauge up to down. The ohms in the 45 degree range only change from 12 down to like 85 up and my gauge only moves maybe half way. So thats my i am stumped. Maybe gauge is bad? Or sender resistance is wrong for my gauge. Need like 0 to 70 maybe. Guessing again. Wish I could find the specs for the sender.
 

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I just looked up part 3594989 and it also cross referenced to 3849411. Im just baffled and I'm on a mission to find out whats wrong. Pissing me off. Lol
 

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You have my sympathy, I have a 3594989 sender that I purchased in the USA as the parts list only listed one sender, which when I tested it would not work with my digital gauge. It was the last job needed before launching. I checked VP for the correct one and it would take more than a week to arrive, As near me in Barcelona there was a company selling digital senders for next day delivery I bought one. Turned out not to be VP but I fitted it. Readings were a bit erratic but I launched. For the whole season they continued to be erratic. This season I bought a genuine VP one that works correctly. So now I have learnt to only fit VP parts from Europe. I still have the redundant brand new 3594989 here in Spain.
 

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MUC that only works if you are in the USA.
[h=1]We'll be back soon[/h] The Volvo Penta Online Store is only accessible to visitors located in the United States**. Please contact your local dealer for information concerning Genuine Volvo Penta parts
**If you are seeing this message in error we apologize for any inconvenience. Call our Customer Service Line to have a friendly iboats' representative help complete your purchase.
 

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MUC that only works if you are in the USA.
[h=1]We'll be back soon[/h] The Volvo Penta Online Store is only accessible to visitors located in the United States**. Please contact your local dealer for information concerning Genuine Volvo Penta parts
**If you are seeing this message in error we apologize for any inconvenience. Call our Customer Service Line to have a friendly iboats' representative help complete your purchase.

Oops, sorry I didn’t know the OP was on the other side of the pond.
I have no idea how things work over there.
Here in North America the 3849411 sender is no longer in production and no longer available from VP NA.
Might be different over there.
 

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If that hing pin is only moving 1/10th of a turn thats your problem! I'm assuming you are trimming the drive from full down tho full up? If so the hinge pin has come loose, get a hex key socket and torque wrench and tighen it to 150 Nm. Then reinstall the sender.
 

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I did a Google search for the VP part and found on Amazon 3849411 is a replacement for the OEM 3594989. Cant find the specs for ohm range for either
 

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I did a Google search for the VP part and found on Amazon 3849411 is a replacement for the OEM 3594989. Cant find the specs for ohm range for either

I’m not sure why someone would take advice from an Amazon merchant selling cheap knockoff parts and not from the company who designed and built the drive system?

But it’s your boat and your money.
 

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The pivot pin is tight and goes back to same spot everytime when moving up or down. But it only rotates about 1/8 turn which moves the gauge about half or less. If I rotate sender by hand 1/4 turn the gauge moves full up and down. The ohms on sender for 1/4 turn goes from 12 to about 135. The ohms on sender when I rotate 1/8 turn goes from 12 to about 85. I can't be anymore detailed. Its either wrong sender or gauge is bad. I need the ohm specs on the oem sender.
 

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The resistance range for my original two wire sender was 0-160 ohms and the resistance range for the three wire sender I replaced it with is 0-600 ohms. Either the two or three wire sender can be used (provided the gauge is analog) by just leaving the third wire (white wire) unconnected in the engine bay.
Original two wire sender was a 90 degree movement linear resistor approximately (measured by me), the three wire unit I replaced it with is approximately a 350 degree Pot (measured by me) and less than 1/4 turn of it is used (so it is roughly equal ohms per degree).
My drive full down is -6*, full up is +53*. Total movement is approx. 60*. My gauge (Faria) reads full down at 11 ohms and when full up reads above the “UP” dash mark (60* x 1.7 ohms/ degree + 11ohms = 111ohms. It should be noted that the gauge is not linear but exponential. The gauge is far more sensitive at lower ohm measurements.
This now leaves us with a quandary – Is the drive not moving through it's full range or is there a problem with the sender?
1/10 of a turn is 36*, 1/8 of a turn is 45* and normal (by my SX-M 2004) is 59*, which is it?
Three wire senders are just normal rotary potentiometers and cheap knock offs can be DOA (buy OEM) and add 3M 5200 around the wire inlet seal.
The original two wire sender was a linear wire wound resistor of superior construction but the wire entry let water and caused it to fail. I know that you have to pay more for a two wire sender but I don’t know if it is still a wire wound resistor or just a three wire with the travel restricted and a wire missing!
Set the sender to 11 ohms and see if the gauge reads full down, then set it to 110 ohms and see if the gauge reads full up, if it does the gauge is good.
Are you sure your drive is going all the way down?
All these readings / figures are from my drive not specifications use at your own risk!
 

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My drive is full down 12 ohms full up 85 ohms but gauge only moves 1/2 way. When rotate by hand 12 ohms guage shows full down 125 ohms gauge shows full up. Its about a 90 degree turn of the sender. The pivot pin only rotates about 1/8 of turn or so when trimming full down to full up. The pin goes to same spot each time up or down. Im so frustrated. Hate spend 200.00 on another sender only to find its the same problem
 

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Lets get some facts and go from there:
Do you have a swim step? (possibly reduced drive up trim limit)
Are you observing the drive and hinge pin when trimming it up and down? i.e. someone else operating the switch.
Do the hinge pin and drive move in unison and start and stop at the same time?
Do you have a protractor and can you measure the angle the drive moves through?
Did the trim gauge work normally at any time in the past that you witnessed?
At 90* the sender should have at least 160 ohms, are you accurately measuring sender rotation?
Prior to switching ignition on is the gauge pinned against the up stop?
 

tfpkrman

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The drive don't move 90 degrees. The pin and drive move the same every time. Going to say approx 45 degrees. Have platform back of boat. Sender when rotated by hand does go to 160 ohms and gauge goes full up. But as I stated when installed sender only goes from like 12 to 87 when trimming drive and gauge only goes half way.
 
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