Trim Tabs - Dead In The Water

LazyCruiser

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Well alrighty then!
That's what I'll do - including the 4 pin connector,,,,,,it's as good as gone also.

thank you AGAIN
Sarah
 

LazyCruiser

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I am getting more confused.
Can someone tell me a coupla things, pls?
Looking at my trim tabs master cylinder, I can't help but think that something is missing there :rolleyes: I have a wire connector in front, it's white - hoses going to each trim tab and really nothing else connected to it.

But when I use my switches, a motor runs somewhere that I cannot see and for the life of me I cannot see where it possibly would connect to my master cylinder!?! Can someone enlighten me?
Oh by the way, what the heck is that othe thing on the right??

Sorry, maybe I should have been a guy,,,,,I don't know this stuff

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boltonranger

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Well Sarah;
The "thing on the right" is your outdrives trim pump and reservoir.
This raises and lowers your drive for running; trailering; etc.
It will whine when activated; but you will not see anything moving in the boat. You will / should see the drive move behind the boat.

Is the trim tab reservoir (on the left) full?
-br
 

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Sarah,

boltonranger is correct, the trim tab pump is on the left.

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I have pointed out the connector where we want to do that hot wire test.

It does appear that there is no fluid in the unit, if that is the case we need to fill it with Automatic Transmission Fluid Use any type of Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF). Don't worry about the exact brand or type - it will all work, and can even be mixed. To add fluid, remove the Lexan cover on the HPU, locate the "filler stack" in the left front corner of the reservoir. There is a round plug sealing the filler stack. Remove the plug and add fluid to the full line on the reservoir.

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Are you sure it's something else running when you hit the switch? Can you put your hand on the pump and have someone hit the switch?

If there is no fluid we need to fill it before any other tests.

Let me know what you find.

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LazyCruiser

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Oh yes, the reservoir is filled to slightly above the fill line. I topped it off last w'end,,,,it's very hard to see thru & I can see why you thought that it was empty. I wish that was it.

I only had time to stop by the boat tonite for a few mins, just wanted to dbl check for the stuff I need t'row to ?fix? it.
But something surely runs when I work those switches and it seems as if it's between the back of the engine and the transom. I'm wicked confused about that. I don't understand why that High pressure unit can have high pressure. Shouldn't whatever is running when I hit the trim switches actually be connected somehow to the HPU?
Wicked confused :mad:

Anyways, yes I should have thought of the trim motor being that other pump in the pic,,,,,DUH

Sarah

EDIT: When someone hits the switch, I can feel the hoses jump a little - the ones that go thru each tab
 

LazyCruiser

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Oh, wait a minute.

What if I told you that when I took off the lexan cover that the oil filler plug was ajar and not 'plugged in' properly? And that when I put it back it was a loose fit?

Pressure loss maybe? :confused:
 

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Sarah,

The plug has a loose fit on purpose, it's not a pressure sealed reservoir and has to vent some air.

If the tubing is jumping a little bit then I think that the unit is trying to run. Noises in the engine compartment of a boat can be deciving, it's a big hollow space.

If you do step 3 right at the white connector we will know for sure if the pump motor is running.

Tom
 

LazyCruiser

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Sarah,



If you do step 3 right at the white connector we will know for sure if the pump motor is running.

Tom

Ok Tom, gotcha.
I will be on it by 8 or 8.30 t'row morning......

<fingers crossed>
 

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Almost forgot, your earlier description of the different noises the unit makes going up or down really makes me think the unit is trying to run.
 

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When I read the response from Tabman I gave up reading the rest of this thread. Nothing beats getting help from the manufacturer.

One suggestion: I also had 2 dead trim tabs. Got them working but still felt they could be unreliable. I called Bennett and this is what they offered me. For about $100 (including the shipping) I sent my cylinders and hydraulic pump back to the manufacturer for maintenance. In return I received them back (about 7 days total) in good as new working condition, with new hydraulic hoses attached and with plastic clam shell covers for the hydraulic hose protrusions on the stern. Considering the cost of most repairs this one was a great deal and I have confidence that they will work when I need them.
 

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TabMan is awesome!

One thing to remember when you get them working, don't push one switch down while you push the other up, or you'll blow the fuse. Ask me how I know :redface:
 

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TabMan is awesome!

One thing to remember when you get them working, don't push one switch down while you push the other up, or you'll blow the fuse. Ask me how I know :redface:

Thanks for the the complement Skargo!

For the last few years Bennett Trim Tab systems have included a Lock Out type Control Switch that prevents the operator from pushing the buttons in opposite directions to prevent the fuse from blowing.

Still it's good advice for all those older systems out there.
 

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I wonder how long she is holding the "bow down" switch for.
 

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Thanks for the the complement Skargo!

For the last few years Bennett Trim Tab systems have included a Lock Out type Control Switch that prevents the operator from pushing the buttons in opposite directions to prevent the fuse from blowing.

Still it's good advice for all those older systems out there.
Interesting. Do the indicator type switch have this lockout. I've been thinking of either the inficators, or the ATC. Only reason I would want the ATC would be for when my wife drives pulling a skier or tuber, so she wouldn't have to mess with adjusting the tabs.
 

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Yes, The Indicator Control Switch incorporates a lock out feature, in this case it's done electronically.
 

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Thanks for the info.

I hope LazyCruiser gets the problem figured out!
 

LazyCruiser

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I hope LazyCruiser gets the problem figured out!

:D She DID!!! ;) :) HAPPY DANCE Time.......

I went to step 3 of Tab Man's suggestion.
Everthing was wrong, but there were signals every time.
Hhhmmm,,,, I discovered that the wiring was backwards,,,, so I started looking over the back (transom) If ya go right tab the left went down.
Left tab up, right tab down.......... I was always looking at the wrong tab!

So I went to the front - the helm - and I took out my switch and turned it 180 degrees and put it back. Now,,,,,right tab up, right tab goes UP !!! wooHOO.

They work!!!
Thanks to you ALL, especially Tab Man but all of you have helped and I like the maint suggestion too. One of my tabs seems a bit more limited in motion than the other.

Happy Dance time !!!!
Getting changed, getting a bottle of wine, my dog,,,,,and sleeping on the boat tonite! YeeHAW

thank you again
-BIG Smiles-
Sarah
 

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Take very small steps using your new tabs until you get used to them.
 

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That is great news Sarah!!!!!!!!!

By the way the switch is supposed to work this way;

If you push the upper right hand switch the port Trim Tab goes down.
If you push the upper left hand switch the starboard Trim Tab goes down.
If you push the lower right hand switch the port Trim Tab comes up.
If you push the lower left hand switch the starboard Trim Tabs comes up.

Trim Tabs work "across the boat" in other words when you lower the port Trim Tab the starboard bow will go down, and visa versa. The rocker switches on trim tabs are set up to reflect this. You push the switch in the direction you want the boat to respond. If you push the "forward right hand button" the left trim tab will go down, resulting in the right hand bow lowering. It is quite intuitive to have the switch set up this way and most people do not even realize that is how the Tabs are reacting.

You can have it the other way too, some people like it better that way.

Ok, I am delighted you are up and running!

Here is a little "trim tabs 101" article I wrote a while back that might find helpful now that they work.

The best advice I can give you is to use the Tabs in short bursts, and to let the boat settle down between adjustments. And most importantly, experiment, all boats are different, play with the tabs and their use will soon become second nature.

Getting and Staying Trimmed

All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.

A boat?s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)
Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator?s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners

A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat?s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.

Indications of Running Untrimmed
When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.

Indications of Running Trimmed
The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding ?less strained?.

One Step at a Time
The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short ?bursts? and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat?s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat?s particular traits.

Take Off
Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.
As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes ?over sensitive? and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control ?bow up" until the desired attitude is established.

Getting the Most from Power Trim
Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat?s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.

Trimming to Sea Conditions
When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.
Correction of a List

The normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat?s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim.

Correction of Porpoising
Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow.
 
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