Trim Tabs - electric vs hydraulic and other questions.

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Another question....

When its rough? What do you do with your tabs when its rough?

I had to run and hide from a storm last year, and to get into the yacht basin, I had to run in with quartering seas on my starboard, I picked that side up to keep the waves out.
Just one example. I'm sure some of these guys with more experience can give a better answer ;)
 

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Another Question?

When do I need double pistons? I was looking at Bennet 30x12 tabs Part # 3012E. They are huge tabs, but only have one piston.
 

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When its rough? What do you do with your tabs when its rough?
Whatever combination keeps me safe and dry ;)

I have found there are no hard and fast rules with tabs. I keep playing with all of my tools until I find the best combination for the wind, waves, their direction etc.

I have used full down tab and full up trim before. That day, it as right.

Personally I wouldn't worry about double pistons. There are a lot of bigger boats with singles. My boat has singles, runs 57 MPH and my tabs surfaces are really big. 400 hours later, non-issue.
 

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I agree with Dingbat on most of what he said.

1: Reaction time? I often think slower is better. Maybe at initial start up you may want faster but when your running often you only want to make a fine adjustment. I will often hit one of the switches for less than ? a second.
After you had the tabs for a few days you will have a good idea how much trim you will want before you apply power. Two examples: One launch ramp I use on minus tide days you only have about 2 feet of water out to about 200 yards. In this case I will trim tabs all the way down but motor trim all the way up. When I apply power the stern will come up faster than the bow and I can cross that mud flats with a foot to spare. Other time is when it is really rough and I want to run very slow but I want the bow cutting waves and Swells.

2: I disagree here dual cylinders still only use one pump so will lower tab at half the speed because it has to pump twice as much fluid. The advantage is when need maximum power it has twice a much. AT the point of maximum power needed it might lower faster.

3: I also like the longer cord better, I also have 12 by 12 Size. The way I see it is the longer tabs go deeper in the water as the bow rises. This then forces the bow deeper in the swell automatically for a smother ride. Also with the 9 inch cord the tab has to go down at a steeper angle to create the same lift. I feel that steeper down angle creates more drag than a 12 or 18 inch tab as less of an angle.

5: I also think the bat wings create more lift by keeping more water under the tab. My 1981 model Bennett they did not have the bent edges yet. One place they may help is when your swimming up to the boat the edges are not so sharp. Also if fighting a large fish that goes under the boat may not be as apt to cut the line. This is one thing I was worried about when I bough my tabs as I fish a lot, but to this day we have not cut a line or lost a fish do to the tabs. However any time I take some one new while preparing to launch I take them around back and point out the tabs. Also point out you have to be at the stern of the boat and use the pole to keep the line off the tabs and the motor.


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Re: Trim Tabs - electric vs hydraulic and other questions.

Another Question?

When do I need double pistons? I was looking at Bennet 30x12 tabs Part # 3012E. They are huge tabs, but only have one piston.

Like I said, my boat's PO installed single rams, then he was concerned about strength, why, I don't know.
There must be a reason Bennett makes dual rams, as the set on my boat came with them, and they aren't huge tabs. I think they are made for larger boats that are transom heavy. I'm certainly not complaining.

I've thought about swapping my switches for the indicator switches.
 

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My boat has a heavy rear end. It has a molded swim platform, batteries and then engine to lift.

Not my boat (same model) you get the idea.
 

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Personally I don't think single ram and weight are an issue to be concerned with. Yes, there are some applications that use double rams. I guess I would call Bennett as they are very responsive.
 

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I did google that. I keep getting biased answers from manufactures.

Yes, but did you restrict google to only look at the iboats forums?

The search feature on the forum software isn't robust, so I use Google to search the forum by adding "site:forums.iboats.com" to the search string. It works a treat. Go back and click my link, and you will find hundreds of boat owner discussions that you can parse through and perhaps find additional info that won't come up in this thread.

Don't mistake brevity for snark. I really was trying to help you out.
 

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Talked to Benett....

They said I should put ST-12 tabs on my boat. They are 12x12 dual ram tabs with folded edges all the way around. He said the dual rams would take about 12 seconds to fully move where as a single ram with take about 7 seconds.

That being said. I think I'm going to go with the ST-16 tabs. They are 12" wide and 16" long. A little longer can't hurt for pretty much the same price.
 

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Re: Trim Tabs - electric vs hydraulic and other questions.

Talked to Benett....

They said I should put ST-12 tabs on my boat. They are 12x12 dual ram tabs with folded edges all the way around. He said the dual rams would take about 12 seconds to fully move where as a single ram with take about 7 seconds.

That being said. I think I'm going to go with the ST-16 tabs. They are 12" wide and 16" long. A little longer can't hurt for pretty much the same price.

FYI I have the ST-12's on my boat, which is 21'6" long and 4500 dry. They work awesome! They are pictured earlier in the thread.
 

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OK, I just got off the phone with the PO of my boat. He went to dual rams because he bent and twisted up his original, single ram tabs, which were much longer than the current ones on my boat. He even had the originals cut down 4" on each side, and used a brake to bend the ends up to stiffen them. He said they still started bending.
I told him about your boat and he said definitely get the same tabs with a dual ram, or the next size up. Seems to jibe with Bennett's recommendation to you.

*edit* forgot to mention, he got the optional 2 pump setup on my boat because of the slower performance with dual rams and 1 pump.
 

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These are what I have:

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12 x 17 Eddie Marine Tabs

The anodized aluminum plate is not doing any bending . . . Pricey though.
 

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These are what I have:

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12 x 17 Eddie Marine Tabs

The anodized aluminum plate is not doing any bending . . . Pricey though.

Those are nice. The PO told me he saw some with a mercruiser name on them, they were cast aluminum, and very salty! Like thousands of dollars.
Yours aren't too bad, these were close to the same price, at least back then.
Here's a pair of Eddies for $870
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...2fffdde2b&rvr_id=&ua=?*F?&itemid=150377295474

My current ones are thick stainless, with bent edges, plus the dual rams, I doubt they ever bend either. I sure am glad I have them, that's for sure.
 

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Semi-unrelated side note . . . Eddie is my best friend's brother in law. Whenever I get a new ride, I get a Brother-in-Law deal type shopping spree. Eddie hates it, but my friend kinda makes him do it :)

Those tabs have been pretty good. My only complaint is that they don't retract completely on the trailer. Doesn't matter much, but the springs aren't strong enough on their own to bring them up without water pressure pushing against them.
 
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