trim tabs, Jack plate, hydrofoils

Zaxxon II

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Can someone explain the benefits and drawbacks to these various systems. I am looking for the most efficient/economic cruising for a 17 ft bass boat with a 150 Johnson. I really don't want a lot of speed. Trim tabs sound beneficial, but Jack plate has been recommended for efficiency as well. Or is a combination the best overall?
 

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Re: trim tabs, Jack plate, hydrofoils

Zaxxon;<br /><br />Do a search (here on this site) on each of these topics, Hydrofoils, Trim Tabs, Smart Tabs , and Jackplates. You will get all of the information you would ever want.<br /><br />Also go to our website and Down load a booklet on Boat Balance and performance (see the menu on the left side of the home page and go to the bottom under quick links. (www.Nauticusinc.com) Or call for more information at 800-233-0194 (Brecksville Ohio)
 

umblecumbuz

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Hi Zaxxon,<br /><br />The blurb below has been cribbed from a forthcoming paper discussing trim tabs. It conveys the pro's and con's clearly. Hope it's of some use - <br /><br />A boat at rest has its weight spread over the area of the hull in the water. When the boat tries <br />to plane, the bows rise. This leaves a smaller hull area to take the same weight, so the stern <br />sinks. This is exactly the opposite of what we want to happen.<br /><br />As the speed rises the stern stays low in the water and a bow wave is created midway along <br />the hull. The boat then assumes a steep angle as it tries to ‘ride’ this bow wave. The helmsman <br />attempts to correct this condition by trimming the outboard leg. Whether he realises it or not, <br />he begins applying ‘negative trim’ - in other words, he pulls the outboard leg as far into the stern as he can, which forces the propellor to push upwards as well as forwards. The stern lifts, the bows lower, and the boat begins to plane. All seems well - but it’s not!<br /><br />The boat still has a marked angle to the water. Whenever the helmsman tries to trim the <br />propellor out for greater speed, the stern sinks again and the boat then planes with the stern <br />deeper in the water. This slows the boat, uses more fuel, makes it less responsive to steering <br />inputs, works the engine harder than necessary, and gives an uncomfortable ride.<br /><br />One of the ways of minimising this effect is to fit a fin on the anti-cavitation plate of the outboard. This helps, but has several disadvantages. The fin angle is tied to the propellor angle because both are fitted to the same leg. Most fins work better with slight negative trim, and this means that the propellor will still be operating ‘out of square’ with the water. Additionally, because the fin is central to the hull, it cannot provide lateral stabilisation. As the fin does not follow the deadrise angle of the hull, it is also a permanent additional source of underwater resistance. The enlarged horizontal surface of the fin can also cause the boat to be less responsive in turns.<br /><br />The function of the propellor is to drive the boat forward, and it can only do this with maximum <br />efficiency when it is at right angles to the water - ie. running ‘square’. The obvious and most <br />effective answer is to keep propulsion and trim functions completely separate. <br /><br />Trim tabs are specifically designed to control the attitude of the boat separately from the <br />propellor, allowing the propellor to do its proper job. They are far more effective than a fin, and <br />give positive benefits to boat handling, ride, speed and economy. Some trim tabs are ‘dead’ - <br />that is, they remain where they are set by the helmsman. Others adjust automatically. The geometry of their design permits the tab to offer reducing downforce as the speed of the boat increases.<br /><br /> Trim tabs are fitted to the outer edges of the transom, in line with the deadrise angle of the <br />hull. When the boat is planing, they offer no additional resistance - in fact, many boats are <br />faster with Trim tabs fitted. Their position allows them to stabilise the boat on its port/<br />starboard axis. With Trim tabs, the boat will lift onto the plane at a lower speed, so the <br />holeshot - the time taken to reach efficient planing speed - is also faster. The ride will be more comfortable and as the attitude of the boat is more level, the helmsman will have a better view. The engine will work more efficiently, so fuel consumption will be reduced. The forward part of the boat’s hull remains in better contact with the water, and this provides the helmsman with <br />sharper handling response.<br /><br />Ciao
 

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Stillfishing;<br /><br />I can not believe it! I have nothing to add. Excellent description of the basics! Thank You
 

walleyehed

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stillfishing, is that the prototype for the FAQ????? If not, it should be considered....JB???
 

umblecumbuz

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Kenny,<br /><br />I'll rewrite it a bit more comprehensively if you guys like.<br /><br />Dunno what happened to the layout though. It looked OK when I clicked the post it button.<br /><br />Ciao
 

Zaxxon II

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Re: trim tabs, Jack plate, hydrofoils

So it appears that Smart tabs would be a definate help to efficiency and economy, would a jack plate be necessary as well, or will one or the other be enough. Great post, by the way, thanks.
 

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Jack plates are used to raise and lower the motor with the specific purpose of choosing the most efficient height for the condition. ie: When attempting to reach the best top speed raising the motor to the point where the minimum amount of drag occurs from the "leg" but maintaining the maximum prop bite. <br /><br />In shallow water conditions they allow the motor to be raised. <br /><br />Trim Tabs literally allow you to adjust the design of the hull too maximize the hull efficiency for the conditions at the moment. Hull design is the single most influential factor on boat
 

BillP

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What exactly are you wanting to gain in performance...faster plane, boat staying level, shallow water running? <br /><br />Trim tabs...help keep the bow down for faster planes. Make it possible run the boat level and true as load and sea conditions change. Expensive and complex compared to foils. They get in the way fishing and around pilings and shorelines.<br /><br />Jackplate...strickly speed and/or shallow water running. Figure on buying another prop if buying a jackplate. Most use adjustable tabs in combination with jackplates. Expensive and versitile. Not many drawbacks except for hyd system maintenance.<br /><br />Foils...helps keep bow down for faster planes. Keeps water around the prop for higher motor trims and faster speeds or shallower running. Cheap and simple. Function is narrow compared to tabs or jplates. Some boats see performance gains and others don't.
 

Zaxxon II

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Re: trim tabs, Jack plate, hydrofoils

Thanks Bill,<br />I'm mainly interested in the cheapest and simplist way to gain efficiency and economy. I don't really care about hole shots or speed except as to how they improve efficiency. I have a Johnson 150 on a 17 ft. Stratos. 30 mph is about as fast as I want to go (most of the time). I will be getting a new prop, but wanted to check out the other options for more efficiency. Thanks again.
 

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The first thing I'd do is forget about a jackplate. Second is make sure the motor cavitation plate is 1/2" above the boat bottom and try various motor trimming after that. <br /><br />Third is dial in the correct prop. If it needs more "gain" take a chance with $15-$20 on a foil and see if that helps. Get a foil that matches the vee of your hull so it stays above the water at high speeds. It won't scrub high speed when installed that way. Lastly, look into adjustable tabs but pull the $$$ out. <br /><br />I use a handheld gps to tell me what changes in accessories and trimming do for speed.
 
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