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googen1161

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Ok, I'm trying to replace the impeller on a 65hp Mercury. I'm trying to seperate the gear housing and I'm hung up at the trim tab assembly. The manual states there is a screw there but I dont see it. Does the trim tab assembly just screw off like a light bulb? I can only get it to move an inch. I think I'll be fine once it's apat but I'm getting frustarted. Any help would be appreciated. Glenn
 

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On top of the hsg directly above the tab is a hole use the hole to get to the allen screw to remove it's a 5/16 or 3/8" allen
 

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Look on the top side of the trim tab area from above, you should see a small plastic cap. Pop that cap off and lossen the bolt holding the trim tab on. With the tab off, you should now see another nut that was concealed by the trim tab. That nut needs to come off as well.
 

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Laddies, there is no allen screw, looks like a dowel pin. I tried to slide a socket over it but it just spins. Cant see how else to remove it. Any more ideas? Thanks, Glenn
 

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AMD, thanks, I'll need a deep well socket. Plastic cap was missing so I was lost for a second. Thanks again
 

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Not knowing the year of the engine don't help much, but all 4 cyl 650s use allen head bolts, 3 cyl 650s have a larger hole and use a conventional bolt, but I have seen some with a reverse torax head that you have to use a 12 pt socket on
 

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Laddies, I think you got it. I got 6 point deep socket to no avail. I will go back and get one. Do you know for sure what size? I think 1/2 inch. Thanks again, you guys are great with the help. Glenn
 

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If it's a 6 pt bolt it should be 1/2' but I think the 12 pt is 7/16 over the years people can put anything in there
 

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Laddies, I think you got it. I got 6 point deep socket to no avail. I will go back and get one. Do you know for sure what size? I think 1/2 inch. Thanks again, you guys are great with the help. Glenn
 

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Thats it for today. Totally pissed off. One bolt holding me up. Thinking of cutting out a section to reach the bolt because nothing is fitting. Try again tomorrow.
 

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My motors are a little newer, but I use a 13mm socket on a 6" extension. It is a skinny OD socket, and just happens to fit through the hole. Standard 6 point hex. Yours may or may not be the same. Laddies has much more experience than I.
 

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Thnaks AMD, that was it. A 12mm. My frustration stems from not having a 1/4 drive set in both standard and metric, deep well and regular. Got the thing apart and impeller was destroyed. Looks like they gave me the wrong impeller, to big. The rest of the gasket set fits fine. I think the water pump should get replaced as well. Lots of bugs, debris, ect...in the unit so I'll be cleaning it all up today. Thanks again for all the help. Glenn
 

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Originally posted by heimer1161:<br /> ...Looks like they gave me the wrong impeller, to big. ...
Glenn,<br /><br />You may be correct, but many people think the impeller is too big and it isn't. Stretch out the vanes on your old impeller and see if they look anything like the new one. In order to install the new one you need to lube up the water pump housing well, and then turn the drive shaft -clockwise- as you lower the water pump housing over the impeller. Don't forget the drive key :) . The impeller vanes will 'curl-up' inside the water pump housing. Because they are curled up they take a compression set over time, and should be inspected yearly to make sure they are not brittle/broken or excessively worn. I replace mine as part of the winterization process at the end of each season.<br /><br />Best of luck. Happy boating.
 

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Thanks AMD, it was the correct one. Got it in place but now I cant get the lower unit back in. Trying to line up the splines but to no avail. Is the drive shaft supposed to turn when I turn the prop shaft? It doesnt . What am I doing wrong? Thismy 1st venture into the outboard. Any advice would be appreciated!!! Almost there guys!!!glenn
 

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Who said getting it back on was going to be easy ? lol :) <br /><br />Many things have to line up all at once. Don't turn your splined shift shaft on the lower unit. It should still be lined up to go back on. If you turn it now, you'll likely have problems shifting later.<br /><br />If the lower unit won't go easily, try turning the drive shaft a little bit at a time. Likely the splines are not lined up at the powerhead.<br /><br />Watch closely for the water tube alignment. It is -very- important that it gets back into the water pump seal properly. There shoudl be a black rubber guide around the copper tube to make it a bit easier.<br /><br />Normally, you won't be able to turn the drive shaft using the prop. It depends what gear it was in when you removed it.<br /><br />I've invented some new curse words trying to get the lower units back on. Step back, have a beer, and then go at it again. When everything lines up just right it -will- slide in easily.
 

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Damm good advice!!! You know how your mind plays tricks on you when your in unfamilar territory, you have at least helped me realize I'm almost there.<br />One last question, with the impeller kit came a few small washers and o rings, cant seem to figure out where they go, didnt see them when I took it apart. Would like to make sure that is all in place before getting it back together. Thanks again AMD,, you've been a great help to me. Glenn
 

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Don't you just hate having 'extra' parts...lol<br /><br />I can't be sure, but -maybe- the kit you have is used on a wide variety of models & years. I know some pumps use shaft o-rings at the top of the pump housing and others simply use a flinger. If you can't see a place to put them, they probably aren't needed. Better to double-check now before you finally get it bolted up.
 

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Hello again. Any other ideas on how to line up the shaft with the splines? I've been inching it back and forth for an hour now and wont go in. My arms are starting to hurt. Glenn
 

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Bigger hammer? :) <br /><br />Can't think of many ways to help.<br /><br />Make sure water & exhaust tube is properly fitted up above, before beginning.<br /><br />With the aid of a flashlight, look up into the midsection at the powerhead driveshaft spline. Make sure there is nothing in the way (could be an old rubber seal from previous installations).<br /><br />When you are installing the lower unit, the first thing to engage is the drive shaft, followed by the shift shaft, followed by the water tube & exhaust tube. Obviously you need to line up the bolting hardware at the same time.<br /><br />Might be helpful to have a friend assist, to save your arms.<br /><br />I've been in your position, and understand your frustration. More beer!
 

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:) Just put the lower unit in reverse as well as the upper shift shaft then with the unit in as far as it will go turn the prop clockwise :D
 
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