Trouble coming on plane

soreco

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I have a volvo penta 5.7 gxi in a 2007 4 winns 278 vista and having trouble coming on plane. Should I change my props to a different pitch?
 

jimmbo

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Welcome to iboats

How long has this "trouble coming on Plane" been happening?
 

brodmann

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I'm not an inboard/outboard sort of guy, but with outboard motors, the manufacturer has a recommended max RPM range where the motor is most "happy". So with outboards, you look for a prop that provides the desired speed you want to reach that is within that RPM range. My boat came with a stainless 21 pitch prop. The boat would reach 43 MPH, but it took forever to plane, and at full throttle, the motor was turning 4200 RPM's. Yamaha recommends that at full throttle the motor runs between 4500-5500 RPM's. I picked up an aluminum 19 pitch prop and now it planes quickly an has a top speed of about 40 MPH. The 21 pitch prop was overloading the motor. Since we don't have transmissions, the propeller is the only "gearing" we have to find the right fit for the motor. BTW, the pitch of a prop is the number of inches it should move the boat forward in one revolution. So, you're moving in the right direction to look for a lower pitched prop. As mentioned above, if it's not a new problem, I'd be prop shopping. If it's a new problem, I'd be checking for issues with the motor. Since most of us are constantly looking for and purchasing the prop that works best for our set up, there are always lots of used props out there for sale. I found mine on Facebook Marketplace.
 

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If the set up is all original and if it’s a DP outdrive, the chances are that it’s propped as well as it can be really. The issue on boats like this is the balance of weight being seriously biased towards the rear end. Fill that fuel tank and the water tank, which are towards the rear. Throw in a v8 engine and outdrive…some batteries, hot water tank…and a couple of passengers sitting at the back…and you’ll have about a ton or close, not wanting you to plane easily.
Sensible tankage, weight distribution and trim tabs are the things that will make things more willing.
 

soreco

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I'm not an inboard/outboard sort of guy, but with outboard motors, the manufacturer has a recommended max RPM range where the motor is most "happy". So with outboards, you look for a prop that provides the desired speed you want to reach that is within that RPM range. My boat came with a stainless 21 pitch prop. The boat would reach 43 MPH, but it took forever to plane, and at full throttle, the motor was turning 4200 RPM's. Yamaha recommends that at full throttle the motor runs between 4500-5500 RPM's. I picked up an aluminum 19 pitch prop and now it planes quickly an has a top speed of about 40 MPH. The 21 pitch prop was overloading the motor. Since we don't have transmissions, the propeller is the only "gearing" we have to find the right fit for the motor. BTW, the pitch of a prop is the number of inches it should move the boat forward in one revolution. So, you're moving in the right direction to look for a lower pitched prop. As mentioned above, if it's not a new problem, I'd be prop shopping. If it's a new problem, I'd be checking for issues with the motor. Since most of us are constantly looking for and purchasing the prop that works best for our set up, there are always lots of used props out there for sale. I found mine on Facebook Marketplace.
Thanks for the info I just have to figure out what is the best pitch
 

soreco

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If the set up is all original and if it’s a DP outdrive, the chances are that it’s propped as well as it can be really. The issue on boats like this is the balance of weight being seriously biased towards the rear end. Fill that fuel tank and the water tank, which are towards the rear. Throw in a v8 engine and outdrive…some batteries, hot water tank…and a couple of passengers sitting at the back…and you’ll have about a ton or close, not wanting you to plane easily.
Sensible tankage, weight distribution and trim tabs are the things that will make things more willing.
I ve been moving people around to get on plane then using my tabs to balance the boat but it does take along time to plane, full throttle, trim down and tabs down
 

soreco

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Would you recommend a hydrofoil. Just reading about then and it suggest that with the extra fins it will come on plane faster. Good or Bad ?
 

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Would you recommend a hydrofoil. Just reading about then and it suggest that with the extra fins it will come on plane faster. Good or Bad ?
No, they don't do anything but put holes in your outdrive and make your wallet lighter.

A 5.7 is a bit light of a motor for a 28 foot boat

Is this a new to you boat? Is the problem new?

What is your compression numbers?
What is your fuel pressure?
Have you had the boat weighed?
You mentioned "props", we assume a DP drive, please confirm.

What props are on their now?
What is your top speed at WOT?
What is your RPMs at WOT?
Are you trimming all the way in for the hole shot?
Where are your trim tabs set?
 

flashback

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yep a 7000lb boat with a 5.7 is gonna have a slow hole shot...I have a 4500lb searay and it isn't great...
 

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Mabey to much down trim causing extra drag ?? I see that in my tinnie, usually myself and mabey one passenger. When I add another one or two people I can't tuck the trim all the way down as it makes it worse getting the bow up and on plane. Between thevtrim on the OD and tabs might be to much with extra weight. Might havevto do some serious experimenting there.
 

QBhoy

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I ve been moving people around to get on plane then using my tabs to balance the boat but it does take along time to plane, full throttle, trim down and tabs down
What outdrive does she have ? Do you need a full tank for your usual use (if it’s relevant). Can you remember what rpm she can achieve when full throttle ?
 

soreco

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What outdrive does she have ? Do you need a full tank for your usual use (if it’s relevant). Can you remember what rpm she can achieve when full throttle ?
volvo penta dual prop out drive 5.7 gxi 320 hp. with full tank of gas and 4 people. My rpm is at 3800 cruising at 26 mph. come on plane full throttle 5000 rpms
 

Scott Danforth

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What are the current props?
What is WOT Speed?
What is WOT RPM at that speed?
 

QBhoy

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volvo penta dual prop out drive 5.7 gxi 320 hp. with full tank of gas and 4 people. My rpm is at 3800 cruising at 26 mph. come on plane full throttle 5000 rpms
If you are getting to 5000 rpms (and not just stating 5000 rpms because that’s about the figure stated for the top of the recommended rpm range), then you are spot on and a typically perfect example of being perfectly pitched on the props. Yet to come across a VP dp powered boat (original to build and boat), that wasn’t very well set up when new.
Going back to my original reply, around just being very common a behaviour, from boats like these. Very heavily biased towards the stern, I’m afraid.
By far, what makes the biggest difference and improvement, is if you are able to have much less fuel onboard. If it’s convenient and possible to only really have fuel in the tank for what you need (with a sensible reserve obviously), then you will 100% notice a huge difference. Typically a boat like this likely has a fuel tank capacity of say, about 100 gallons perhaps. If this is full…and given where it’s located in the boat (usually just forward of the engine and way aft of the centre line of the hull…you could literally equate that to having a big 3 seater jet ski (with its own full fuel tank) or a small 14/15ft outboard powered speedboat….sitting in the cockpit or across the back of your boat !! Just to give you a bit of context to imagine. Only having half a tank, could likely see you about a quarter of a ton lighter at the back end.
 

QBhoy

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Sorry if you already are aware of such things, but additionally to what I’ve said earlier (which is of most help to your issue), despite being a big fan of these short block v8 mpi and gxi engines…having one myself, I and others who own them and run them, will tell you that they can be a little lazy down low in the rpms…compared to a carb version of the same engine, and that’s despite the carb (factory engines) engine having a lower HP rating than the gxi/mpi. They can be forgiven for such a behaviour, by making up for it, when they find their legs higher up the rpms though. At your size of boat, this will be probably emphasised. So what will help things along a little is if you allow her to gradually build speed. Not only is it a good idea in terms of mechanical sympathy, it helps the engine find its stride easier too. Try and get her up to a speed just short of her wanting to lift the bow and planing. Let her own momentum help things along by allowing her to sit sustaining at that pace for 10 seconds or so…easing the load on the engine. Tabs and trim down…then open her up from there. If not…the lazy reluctance behavioural trait I describe above, will be at its worst. Let’s face it…she’s not intended to be a wee speedboat, or even designed/required to be a rocket ship from a standstill.
I think you’ve got the best possible set up there, as you are. Would a big block 7.4 or 8.1/8.2 have more punch out the hole…yeah. Definitely…would it be much quicker top end ? Marginally…would your fuel costs be higher ? Without doubt…shockingly so. The big block engine is also exponentially more heavy, than the small block…the last thing you need is hundreds of lbs more weight in the stern. Clever fuel/water tankage thinking, well maintained engine (with particular reference to the health of the distributor cap in mind) and technique like I’ve suggested above, is your best bet.
Finally…just also make sure some idiot hasn’t been maintaining her previously, making the common and very detrimental mistake of putting normal spark plugs in the engine. Very typical to find that a less than experienced/knowledgeable maintainer has been naive enough to presume that these take the same plugs that the rest of the 5.7 more numerous versions of these engines use. These gxi/mpi are the exception to the usual rule here. They absolutely require the plugs stated clearly in the manual. Minimum spec would be the platinum ac delco. But ideally and preferably, the ngk iridium plugs. If you find yours with the usual bpr6efs or something like that…I can tell you, that this will hugely worsen or even be largely to blame for your hindrance. Hope some or all of that helps…apologies for the biblical length of the reply!
 
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