TV Help

mattttt25

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i've held out this long, and finally going with the big hi-def tv. plasma, dlp, lcd.... now they have lcos. anyone have info on this new technology? sony has a 50 and 60 i'm looking at, and they really had the best picture from what i saw. supposed to solve a lot of the problems that dlp and lcd's have.
 

cart7

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Try here:<br /><br /> web page<br /><br />Technology is way too new yet. You'll pay a premium price for sure.
 

Boomyal

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I, personally, would hate to be in the TV market today. Too many relatively new technologies that have not proven their durability, especially considering their price tags. IMHO, the only proven durable techonologies available today are either the CRT TV or the long standing, non LCD, projection TV. Of course with those choices (affordable and durable) you either don't get the screen size or you don't get the HDTV option.<br /><br />btw, LCD's are being shown to degrade and are very expensive to repair.
 

tommays

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i have a samsung TUBE HDTV which you can get up to about 40 "<br /><br />other than DEPTH there is no down side they have no motion blur,life problems or viewing angle issues<br /><br /><br />tommays
 

Pony

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Matt- to really answer this question......need to know something about your lifestyle and what you plan to do with the TV...<br /><br />A few examples of why.....<br />1)If you go DLP you better not be a smoker<br />2)If you play a lot of Xbox or PS2 stay away from Plasma.<br />3)If you watch ESPN stay away from Samsung Slimfits.<br /><br /><br />I work at Best Buy, and can tell you that on those Sony's you speak of...........get a service plan. One blown bulb ($400+) and it pays for itself. We don;t sell as many of them as the DLP's but thats because of the price. It truly is a great TV.<br /><br />If you go LCD, keep in mind the life of an LCD is about 60,000 hours........which is the half life of a Plasma. Panosonic LCDs and Sharp Aquos are pretty popular with consumers.<br /><br />If you go Plasmas ask about burn it. Some of the Samsung Plasmas have anti burn in technology. If you can afford it, Pioneer is BY FAR THE BEST. Look into ED instead of HD as well. Much less espensive.......it has half the pixels but you really cant notice if you put it next to an HD of the same brand.
 

18rabbit

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Mattttttttttttttttttttttt25 - By a very wide margin, plasma displays have the best picture quality. For image quality, I would put Sony’s plasma somewhere near a 2 on a scale of 1 to 5. Samsung is up there, tho I have a hard time buying any electronics Korean made. Samsung is one of the few companies that actually makes their own plasma panel. For quality picture, Fuji or Panasonic. I don’t see the price diff in the Fuji display, so Panasonic is my recommendation. Some folks like Pioneer but there are some other drawbacks with their technology that I wanted to avoid. I dumped my $$$ into a Panasonic TH-42PHD7UY. It is a 7th generation, true hi-def, commercial plasma display intended for use in boardrooms and retail store displays. Not available at your local consumer electronics store. Won’t go into the technical reasons why I selected that unit, but the same technology is now available in the current line of Panasonic consumer plasmas, the series 8 displays. If you have any qualms about that Panasonic display, you can opt for a Bang and Olufsen plasma. The B&O will set you back about $17k-$19k, and you will actually be watching a Panasonic plasma.<br /><br />Btw, I use the monitor-out port on my laptop to surf the web using my 42" plasma display. The Panny plasma also allows me to split the screen, web surfing on 1/2 screen, monitoring the sat tv news broadcasts on the other 1/2 of the display.<br /><br />If you are going to buy a plasma online, post back here. There are some things to be aware of before you buy, and before you accept shipment of the display.
 

Pony

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Rabbit- I pretty much agree with what you just said. Like you said some like Pioneers some don't ( I do, and if you notice FOX uses them as in the announcers booths in NFL broadcasts and I believe the Daily Show has one or two as well. Doesnt matter really, I just think they have a nice picture) Care to share the drawbacks??...........<br /><br /><br />BUT if Matt plays video games a plasma doesnt have a fast enough pixel processing rate.....
 

18rabbit

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Plasma technology is rolling over so darn fast that everything I though I knew could be out of date by now. When I last looked at plasmas, about 8 months ago, the Pioneer would blow a Sony way, way out of the water. But Pioneer can’t compete sitting next to a Panasonic or Fuji without pushing the brightness limits of the Pioneer, and thus potentially creating burn in and seriously shortening the Pio’s display’s usable life. Pannys have the brightest screens, image stabilization that rivals Pioneer (Pio’s strongest feature), and the fastest pixel processing, more colors. Actually, all of the plasmas will create more colors than the human eyeball can see, so kind of a moot point. Pioneer also has a huge, shiny piano black frame that creates distracting reflections. You can argue whether the Fuji or the Panasonic has the sexiest looking hardware. The new series 8 consumer Pannys have a 1” matt black frame, thinner than my series 7 pro model.<br /><br />My Panny has 3 card slots in back for input options. I have a component (3 cables), a DVI with HDCP (avoid HDMI whenever possible, HDMIv2 is supposed to be good), and a composite for OSDs if/when needed. The PC (computer) input is the only built in input. I can swap any of those 3 optional inputs for whatever input card I want. It also has built in display array functions. If you have too much money, you can hang a 4x4 array of 50-inch Panny plasmas and have a whole friggin’ wall that is your 200-inch hi-def display without any add’l hardware.<br /><br />The Panny display is silent, the Pio isn't. One of the major complaints about Pio is the display noise. Also, Pio has that cheesy external box that you are required to use unless you have a pre/processor that do the input switching for you. I compared the Pio Elite, not the lower end models, so may be diff for them.<br /><br />Fwiw, hardcore video gamers target the pro model hi def Panny plasma displays. I don’t play video games so can’t comment on it from that angle. Maybe because of the processing speed?!?<br /><br />All of the plasma spkrs suck. Panny has the worst, total garbage. Even Panny’s tech support people say don’t waste your $$$ on the optional Panny spkrs. If you don’t already have spkrs you should prob consider the cost of those as well when budgeting.<br /><br />If you are going to wall mount your panel, post back for some tips, tho I suspect Pony is going to know more about it than I do. There are some basics to be aware of.<br /><br />Best Buy’s sister/child company, Magnolia Audio Video is a better place to compare the Pio, Fuji, and Panny displays. Best Buy is in the process of putting a Magnolia A/V store inside of every Best Buy store. If it’s not in your BB store, Pony, it soon will be.<br /> :) <br /><br /><br />Edit: when looking at plasmas, you also need to be comparing "black" in the display. Pio, Fuji, and Panny are all acceptable in my book. Here's the new Panny:<br /><br />http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=94538&catGroupId=14624&modelNo=TH-42PHD8UK&surfModel=TH-42PHD8 UK<br /><br />Also, as far as setting it up, yeah, it's something you will need to deal with, Pony can prob be a big help in that area. The pro line of Panny's come out of the box pretty much tuned in, often requiring no add'l adjusting.
 

mattttt25

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ok fellas, thanks for the info so far. first, i don't smoke or allow it in the house. also don't play games, or care to read email on a 60" screen. the tv will be used for tv.<br /><br />i know the supposed pros/cons of the various technologies. plasma doesn't really interest me, and i don't fully agree that it's 100% better than the rest. i liked the new dlp screens, but this lcos has me reconsidering. like i said, it was easily the best picture i saw in the store. at $4500 for the 60 and $3500 for the 50, it's not much more than the new 1080p dlp sets.<br /><br />so, any more info on this sony set or the lcos technology?
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> ... i don't ... care to read email on a 60" screen.
That's because you don't wear bifocals ... yet.<br /> :D
 

kenimpzoom

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I still use the 13" black and white TV to watch the news in the morning, ya wanna buy it for 20 bucks?<br /><br /> :D <br /><br />Ken
 

Pony

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Matt, I assume you are talking about this......<br /> <br /><br /><br />There are a couple of downsides that I may have mentioned already. These TV's are expensive to begin with, but expensive to own. The bulb lifespan on these things doesnt seem to be very long at all.....looks like a year or two of average usage. This is important considering new bulbs for these are over $400. FWIW this new technology hasnt had any problems really (Sony at least)......its just the short lifespan and cost of the bulbs turns me away. I havent heard the sound out of these in a home environment.....hard to judge will so much noise going on all around.<br /><br />The upside is the incredible picture......one of the highest if not THE highest screen resolutions (If you have something capable of generating that sort of picture). I see people bring back TV's all the time comlaining that the picture they get on the TV isnt the same quality they see in the store....so keep that in mind too. At least where I work, not sure about other eletronics stores, we have the video feeds amped and everything wired with the best cables that monster cable offers. The amp alone probably retails for close to $800 (not consumer grade though), the cables prolly $200. You may already know that, just wanted to throw it out there, cuz as great as that TV looks it wont look that good just hooking it up with regular cable coming out of the wall.<br /><br />I know you have mentioned DLP.....have you looked at the Mitsubishi DLP's? or just the Samsung?<br /><br /><br />Rabbit.....you mentioned the shiny black being a distraction on the Pioneer sets.....I agree. That being said however the 61" (the more expensive series) looks almost identical to that Panosonic you linked to.
 

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Mattttt, I bought a Sony Grand Wega 55" about a year ago, for $2700 at Circuit City. I shopped about ten stores and 50 or so sets. They had the widest selection and the best prices, and the Sony has a great picture, especially on HDTV.<br /><br />You do need to sit pretty much in front of it, but shows like Sunrise Earth, nature shows and NFL football are really awesome. I still marvel at the sharpness of the wide pix. The sound is pretty good to my old ears, too.<br /><br />Don't regret it for a nanosecond and would recommend it to anyone. I do expect to replace the bulb in another year or so, for about $200 but That doesn't bother me a bit.<br /><br />My first TV, a B&W 20" Motorola, needed a new vacuum tube or two every few months and my first color set, a 23" Zenith also needed service pretty regularly. Replacing a bulb every 2 or 3 years is a piece of cake by comparison.
 

mattttt25

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that's the one. went and looked again today. man, i really love it. now at $3200 for the 50 and $4200 for the 60, really no price difference from the new dlp's.<br /><br />as for blub replacement, i know it's a 1-2 year thing. but i'm pretty certain the dlp's are the same, correct? i figure the 4-yr service plan is a must and then i'm on my own.<br /><br />a little confused on the 1080i/p issue though. this set isn't able to accept 1080p but outputs in 1080p. anyone explain that? i also understand that there are really no 1080p outputs being used right now, and no one is sure when/if they will come. so is it a really big deal?<br /><br />what i really love about this set is the clarity (i guess the ultra high resolution, even more than most plasmas), super wide viewing angle (couldn't see a problem at any angle), and the rich color. i couldn't see distortion anywhere, and they were flipping between all types of inputs and channels. it was next to several dlps, and there was really no comparison. also noted that it seemed like many of the dlps and plasmas grabbed a glare from the store lights, when this set did not.
 

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Sounds like you have already sold yourself on that Sony. You should just go buy it so you can enjoy it.<br /><br />1080p is out there now, and lots more on its way. It will be available on all of the hi-def players and dvrs, like everywhere in the world except here. Fwiw, videophiles that have compared 1080i with 1080p side by side say they can’t see much diff unless they are in a lab setting.<br /><br />Pony - the 1080 hi-def is no longer the max def. Higher res displays are available, but not affordable. 1080 will be around for a long while and still produced because we (the US) are lagging behind the world in home electronics technology.<br /><br />I have seen one of the new hi def displays demo’d. I think it has 4-times the pixels of 1080 hi def (2-times the res in x and 2-times the res in y). I just stood there, mouth hung open, drooling on my shoe. Very expensive ($12,000 for a 30-in display), only hardware that supports it so far is a computer graphics card. I forget the technology (OLCD?!?) but it isn’t plasma. The new hi def dvd formats are spec’d to support this display resolution with 14 discrete channels of 192khz audio. That’s a crap load of bandwidth!!!
 

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Yeah I am not too familiar with stuff that I dont handle, use, see, and service everyday LOL.<br /><br />Rabbit-<br /> I think if I am not mistaken California has 13 Magnolia A/V stores and almost 30 Best Buy Magnolia Home Theatre Stores. I assume you live near one. Unfortunately there are non of these stores yet in Wisconsin. The mid-west is a strong area for normal BestBuys though.......in our territory my store is ranked 5th and currently 28th in the company, so its a strong territory. I have heard they want to get Magnolia A/V into more stores. Its supposedly some VERY high qaulity stuff from what I hear......beyond that I dont know much about it.<br /><br />Yeah $12000 is A LOT for a 30 in set. LOL, for that money you might as well buy the 61" Pioneer and get the $700 stand you need to use it and a decent Audio Set-up. Must look insane though.....I would like to see one now :) <br /><br /><br />Matt-<br />In my opinion you are correct about the DLPs which is why I asked you if you looked at them. The Samsungs especialy reflect the light oddly and makes the screen look almost "cloudy". The mitsubishi DLP we have isnt AS bas but still reflects some. Its right next to the SXRD Sony and its obvious which one is superior.<br /><br />If you get the TV enjoy it. :)
 
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