Type of battery to use

Aqualift

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Re: Type of battery to use

#3 is what I have in my boat and it's called the Everstart Maxx Marine. It's a so called 'Dual Purpose'. It starts my Merc 500 and runs my 55lb thrust MotorGuide Varimax trolling motor with no problem.
 

ovrrdrive

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Re: Type of battery to use

Unless you add a Nav light (Red/Green) on the bow you will be illegal at night. On that small boat you should run a Deep Cycle or a combination Marine Starting/Deep Cycle. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need a "Starting Battery" unless your engine happens to be a 7.4 or 8 liter monster.

Or if you have an Optimax on the back of the boat and want to follow the warnings in the manual to not use a deep cyccle battery to start it. I don't why it's in there, but it is.
 

Expidia

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Re: Type of battery to use

jagsfan811,
I went out to my boat in the garage to check which battery I got at Walmart on 3/10/2010.

Its the Everstart Deep Cycle/Trolling model.

Good news. At least mine says right on the label it has free replacement for the first 12 months and the 2nd year is prorated. So it still has the 2 year warranty.

24 DP4, Amp 105, 675 marine cranking and 540 cold cranking.

My receipt says it was $66.

Tip: what ever battery you get don't file your receipt at home cause if you are on vacation and your battery dies if you keep the receipt or a copy of it in your cars glove box with your car registration you can walk into any Walmart and get a new battery.

Funny how each store has different specs for similar batteries. The one I have does not match any of the ones you listed. Just shop by price and pick up the deep cycle one for around $66.
 

jagsfan811

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i don't know the exact prices but $66 seems in the ballpark of what i remember seeing so i will go with the deep cycle 75 amp product, with the 525 marine cranking and the 405 cold cranking.. though i don't know what any of that means haha :D

does this seem like a reasonable fuse box for what i am trying to connect?
http://www.iboats.com/Blue-Sea-Fuse-Block/dm/*******.451500360--**********.334161036--view_id.44293

jagsfan811,
I went out to my boat in the garage to check which battery I got at Walmart on 3/10/2010.

Its the Everstart Deep Cycle/Trolling model.

Good news. At least mine says right on the label it has free replacement for the first 12 months and the 2nd year is prorated. So it still has the 2 year warranty.

24 DP4, Amp 105, 675 marine cranking and 540 cold cranking.

My receipt says it was $66.

Tip: what ever battery you get don't file your receipt at home cause if you are on vacation and your battery dies if you keep the receipt or a copy of it in your cars glove box with your car registration you can walk into any Walmart and get a new battery.

Funny how each store has different specs for similar batteries. The one I have does not match any of the ones you listed. Just shop by price and pick up the deep cycle one for around $66.
 

jagsfan811

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Re: Type of battery to use

how large is your boat? mine is only 15 feet so i wasnt sure if i need something that extreme.. that battery does seem to be the best one out there at walmart.. i am looking to connect a stereo, a directional light, flood light, stern light, 2 or 4 interior lights, i am not sure if i need a starting battery, but the everstart maxx also offers that.. are you connecting alot to your battery?

#3 is what I have in my boat and it's called the Everstart Maxx Marine. It's a so called 'Dual Purpose'. It starts my Merc 500 and runs my 55lb thrust MotorGuide Varimax trolling motor with no problem.
 

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IS your boat electric start and what size motor? Reason I ask is they can be hard to start with a pull rope because you ran the battery dead. I would get a true deep cycle for running lights, stereo, ect and a true starting for starting only (maybe fish finder). Dual purpose batteries are not the best of both worlds, they are just OK for both. A true starting will last longer for starting and a true deep cycle will pull down further and longer than a dual purpose.
 

Aqualift

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Re: Type of battery to use

how large is your boat? mine is only 15 feet so i wasnt sure if i need something that extreme.. that battery does seem to be the best one out there at walmart.. i am looking to connect a stereo, a directional light, flood light, stern light, 2 or 4 interior lights, i am not sure if i need a starting battery, but the everstart maxx also offers that.. are you connecting alot to your battery?

My boat is 14'. My battery tends to starting duties of my 50HP Merc, a fish finder, and a MotorGuide Varimax 55lb trolling motor. (lights too) I usually troll for 2 to 3 hours. I made 22 boat trips last year and 3 so far this year, with no problems. I usually hook the battery up to a slow charger after each outing.
 

Expidia

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i don't know the exact prices but $66 seems in the ballpark of what i remember seeing so i will go with the deep cycle 75 amp product, with the 525 marine cranking and the 405 cold cranking.. though i don't know what any of that means haha :D

does this seem like a reasonable fuse box for what i am trying to connect?
http://www.iboats.com/Blue-Sea-Fuse-Block/dm/*******.451500360--**********.334161036--view_id.44293

That's actually a real nice one. I might get that for My Daughter's boat as hers is the cheap flimsy one. Check the shipping though if it's very pricey you might find something similar locally. Radio Shack probably carries them but that iboats one probably won't corrode out because its made to be around water.

I'd go with that one but not if the shipping is like $10-12.

Both the boats we own are just short of 15 feet. Mine is 14' 9". If you have a side console model then you have room to mount that fuse block under the dash. For a tiller you mount it on the transom near your battery. That iboats one is also covered which is great if you have to mount it where it might get sprayed.

Most of the cheapies don't have covers.

You can start smaller outboards with the $66 battery with no problem. Bigger outboards need a starter type battery's bigger initial power shot when you turn the key. With bigger outboards each outboard has a specific battery requirement for starting purposes. A $66 dual purpose or trolling style battery is not going to last long starting a 200 hp Mercury Verado outboard.

If an electrical item you are using shorts out or corrodes you could short out your battery or it can get hot and the acid could boil out into the boat. The battery does not have a fuse. This is why you need to have everything fused that connects to it.

Also, get the $6 plastic battery box at Walmart for the size battery you are buying. If it ever does boil over it will go into the box and not eat through the boat.

Charge it in those plastic boxes with the cover off. Don't smoke around the battery like if you a charging it in your basement or garage. (don't smoke anyway, it's stupid :))

A few times a year pry up the two plastic covers (each one covers 3 cells) and check the water lever in each cells (not with a match :eek:) only a flash light. look in the cell and it has slots on each side. The water level should be up to the bottom of the slot. When the water is high enough it has a concave look to it has it touches the bottom of each tube. It looks flat when it's too low.

As a battery charges it gives off a gas that is explosive hence no matches, smoking or charging in unvented spaces.

The slower you charge a battery the longer it will last you (like sometimes 5 years plus if you take care of it). In winter don't store it in a garage on the cement or on a basement floor or it can freeze and crack (can freeze quicker in a discharged state, so keep it charged) . Store it on some blocks of 2 x 4's to keep it off the ground. Buy a trickle charger (called a float charger at a place like Harbor Freight for like $10 and it will keep it charged all winter).

Welcome to the world of boating . . . doesn't matter what size boat you have . . . it ain't a cheap sport :D

Do a search on Google for battery tips and you can learn a lot about how they work and how to take care of them.
 

jagsfan811

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wow thank you very much Expidia, so let me just run this by you to make sure i understand..

i have a 48 hp motor as of right now i cant remember whether or not it needs an electric start because this boat is "finally" :p nearing completion of the restoration haha.. but if i do need an electric start could that $66 battery start it? i was able to find it at a walmart near me so i can go pick it up along with the charger soon.

also you mentioned to keep it on a trickle charge of about 2 amps? now that would stay on the charge all through the winter? and from the time of last use to the time i use it again.. to hopefully extend the length of the battery

thanks again, this is really a big help.. i would probably have to run from store to store before i finally got the information everyone in this forum has given me
 

jagsfan811

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my boat is in the ending stages of being restored so i haven't seen my motor in a while so i am not sure what it is, but i do know it is 48 hp so say it needs to have an electric start would a deep cycle be able to do that?

IS your boat electric start and what size motor? Reason I ask is they can be hard to start with a pull rope because you ran the battery dead. I would get a true deep cycle for running lights, stereo, ect and a true starting for starting only (maybe fish finder). Dual purpose batteries are not the best of both worlds, they are just OK for both. A true starting will last longer for starting and a true deep cycle will pull down further and longer than a dual purpose.
 

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I thought you had a small outboard. When you get towards the bigger outboards like a 48 hp just try and start it with the rope by hand and then you will know what a battery has to do. Older outboards can also take more ooomph to start (just like me in the morning :D).

I wouldn't own anything bigger than a 9.9 and plan to start it by rope each time.

You could get just a "starter" battery, but if you plan to run stuff of it when the outboard is not running you are better off with the dual purpose (started/troller) like the $66 one. Because a starter battery is not designed to be constantly run down by your stereo, lights on at night etc.

I was running my starter battery over 1/2 way down each time I used the boat and thought the outboards charging system would bring it back to full each time. It doesn't.

But deep cycle (hence the name "deep cycle") is designed to run down each time (just don't go below 20% each time you run it down, don't run it to flat) You can get away with a starter battery, but you won't get many years out of constantly running it down. They are designed to stay fully charged.

If you ever get a electric trolling motor, then you can use it with the deep cycle battery and also run your other stuff off it. Then you can buy a starter battery to just start the outboard with at that time.

The thing about keeping it charged over the winter is that you don't want to leave it hooked up to your new charger. With the new charger you disconnect the clamps as soon as it reads full. Otherwise you would have the fan in the charger running all week or worse all winter.

You by a cheap $10 trickle charger to leave it connected all winter. They call them float chargers. They look like the black little power supply square things that you plug into the ac outlet for electronic items (wall warts).
 
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