Ugghh... buckled trailer tongue

countryboy26047

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Why is your bow eye ABOVE your bow roller ?

Believe it or not, its how its designed.. I absolutely hate it! Ive been planning on putting another eye on below the roller, just haven't got to it yet.
 

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I do not believe it was designed that way . The problem is that your boat is sitting on the wrong trailer/up to high. That is not a safe way to trailer your boat !
Believe it or not, its how its designed.. I absolutely hate it! Ive been planning on putting another eye on below the roller, just haven't got to it yet.
 

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I do not believe it was designed that way . The problem is that your boat is sitting on the wrong trailer/up to high. That is not a safe way to trailer your boat !

With where the eye is mounted from the factory, it sits up way too high to be possible to get it under the roller. As for safety, I realize that.. I actually use 10k lb. Ratchet straps on the transom. If those don't hold the boat in the case of a sudden stop/accident, then it was meant to be lol. Also the other factor is, I only tow about 3 miles each way, with speeds never over 30mph since its all backroads.
 

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I do not believe it was designed that way . The problem is that your boat is sitting on the wrong trailer/up to high. That is not a safe way to trailer your boat !

Sorry but I disagree with this statement. Not a thing wrong with that trailer being wrong for the boat. That is an older trailer and it is also a tiltbed trailer. It is the way they are made. The hulls do sit higher on them. If there is a problem it is with the winch post.

Also I'm tired of the repeated comments about the placement of bow stops being in the wrong position. Yes it is better for the stop to be above the bow eye but what everyone seems to have forgotten that it wasn't that many years ago that the stop was below the eye, was just the way it was done. Right or wrong it's just the way it is! I can look back to trailers that were built even into the 1980s to were the winch mount was attached at the very top of the post. At the same time it was practice to fasten the boat down with gunwale straps!

Countryboy, looking at the post you have would it be possible to remove the winch and the bowstop and arrange them so that the stop in mounted above the winch by moving the winch down and reattaching it the same way it is attached now?
 

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Countryboy, looking at the post you have would it be possible to remove the winch and the bowstop and arrange them so that the stop in mounted above the winch by moving the winch down and reattaching it the same way it is attached now?

I have stared at it a little bit, trying to get a 'visual idea' on how to do this, but so far I haven't figured it out... then again, I haven't spent that much time thinking it over mainly due to the fact that every time I think I will have time to do the non-urgent things, something breaks that is an urgent repair lol.
 

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I have stared at it a little bit, trying to get a 'visual idea' on how to do this, but so far I haven't figured it out...

Ilooked at it again and think you're right. Looks like the angle would be to steep to do what I was thinking and the stop would be way above the winch. That bowstop bracket/mount is all fixed isn't it? No adjustment to it.
 

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Also the other factor is, I only tow about 3 miles each way, with speeds never over 30mph since its all backroads.

That really being the case then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it!
 

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Ilooked at it again and think you're right. Looks like the angle would be to steep to do what I was thinking and the stop would be way above the winch. That bowstop bracket/mount is all fixed isn't it? No adjustment to it.

Well, the bowstop actually does have bolts in it to adjust it in/out. The bracket it's mounted to, is two pieces of wide channel. Take the bolts out, and there are different positions you can set it too.

That really being the case then I wouldn't lose any sleep over it!
Well, lack of sleep is something I've dealt with for about 11yrs, but it ain't over the eye/stop issue! lol

That being said, What I'm thinking about doing is, if I go on any longer of a trip (planning a couple trips next year to some lakes that are about 1 1/2 - 2hrs away) I'll just add a bow strap. If you look at the one pic I posted of the tilt latch mechanism towards the beginning of this thread, you'll see on the bracket, there are two posts sticking up with holes in them.. appears to be for an additional roller, but with the design of my hull, it would never reach the keel. So I'm more than likely just going to get a hardened grade 5 bolt/nut to stick through there, then run a heavy duty strap from the bow eye down to that bolt... problem solved. Even an 8k lb strap would hold better than that bowstop would in the event of an accident, although I'll probably just put another 10k lb one on like I have on the transom/gunwales... It's nice having a good friend in the trucking industry that can get me all the 10k lb I could ever need! haha
 

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countryboy, sounds as if you've found a solution.
Have you been able to look at the old tongue yet for elongated mounting holes?
 

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countryboy, sounds as if you've found a solution.
Have you been able to look at the old tongue yet for elongated mounting holes?

The coupler on the old tongue was factory welded to the tongue (saying factory cause there was full penetration of one continuous, perfect bead). Cut the thing right by the bend, and no signs of rust or deterioration at all... I'm still dumfounded at how it bent so easily.. I thought for sure I would see either rust/corrosion, or even stress lines thinking maybe the P.O. had bent it before and just straightened, weakening the steel... But none of that at all....
 

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Not the coupler but where the tongue attached to the bed, should be a piviot bolt. Was that lose or worn along with the holes?
 

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Not the coupler but where the tongue attached to the bed, should be a piviot bolt. Was that lose or worn along with the holes?
Oooohhhhh ok! lol And nope, not at all... actually there was a pretty heavy duty sleeve that the bolt goes through that I had to remove to put in the new tongue. The only other thing I can really think is, whenever I backed the trailer in, some how or another that bend happened from the time I released the tilt, till the time it dropped back down. Probably one of them things that I'll never quite figure out exactly how or why it happened. All I know is, with the tongue I put on it now, I think the hitch will rip off the truck before that tongue bends! haha
 

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Well, I thought about starting a new thread to say this, but decided against it...

After 2 days of crawling around, over, under and in between this stupid trailer, I PRAY I am finally done with everything I wanted to get done. So after I got the new tongue on the other night, I decided to go ahead and fab up some guide-ons as I mentioned a few posts ago. Well, in the process, even though it turned into a PIA I'm glad I thought to check to make sure the boat was sitting perfectly centered and level with the trailer before I bent my pipe for the guide-ons.

Once I got the trailer dead-center level, I ended up having to jack up both sides of the boat at the same time. I had to do this because at this point, I realized that I needed to completely readjust my bunk height as well as my keel rollers. Once I had the boat raised off the trailer, I removed the bunk mounts and set them off to the side. Then I slowly lowered the boat until it was sitting dead level, and had probably 80% of the weight resting on the rollers. I then had to re-attach the bunks, and turns out that where I had to mount them was about 1 1/2" difference from where they were before. Since I was working by myself on this, it turned into a royal PIA mainly because I had to keep going side to side to inch the jacks either lower or higher until it was level.

Once I had all that done, I finally got my guide-ons fabbed up and installed. I used 1 1/4" O.D. galvanized pipe that I had tucked away after the trampoline it was used for got blown into some trees a few years ago. I used my home-made pipe bender to bend these tubes, which I then put a bracket on the bottom of the frame channel, then put another bolt going from the 'outside' into the channel to firm it up. I then used some 1 1/4" I.D. sched. 40 pvc pipe that slides down over the galv. The pvc was a tight fit, but still loose enough to allow them to spin on the galv. pipe, acting as rollers. I put caps on the top, drilled holes in them, and ran a section of SS wire down through the pipe, with clamps on top and bottom so that the pvc doesn't float up or bounch up on the galv.

I'll apologize now as I didn't get to take any pics of this whole process as my phone (that I JUST got two weeks ago) decided to retire this morning. I'm SUPPOSED to recieve my new phone tomorrow sometime, so I'll get some pics then to post of the completed project. All-in-all, I'm very happy with how the guide-ons turned out. They are about 3/8" away from the hull, and I ran them up about 2" past the gunwails. Now I'm pretty anxious to head to the river tomorrow with it to try out the guide-ons and see if maybe it's easier to launch/load!

Wow, didn't plan on making that that long, guess I could have just started a new thread for that novel! lmao
 

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Funny how things start and end isn't it. You'll have to post back to let us know how everything worked out. Don't forget you promised pictures.
 

countryboy26047

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Here ya go Bonz. I finally got around to taking a couple pics. Just wish now that I woulda taken pics throughout the work.

Guideon1.jpg
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Plain and simple, I like that! Have you had that repaired trailer in the water yet?
 

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Plain and simple, I like that! Have you had that repaired trailer in the water yet?

Ugghh... No... dont get me started on that! Lmao just say its been an 'interesting' past two weeks
 
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