UK sailors captured at gunpoint

[davemaxi1970]

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I must say i am disapointed in the american government as they have shown little support for the UK when we have supported them in every conflict in recent times without question.
I am also disgusted in the Uk government who should show some balls my god were acting like the surrender monkey french!. this is an act of war and if it comes to it i would sign up to stop these nutters from further forcing our troops to spout propeganda and running roughshod over the Uk the Un and civilisation in general. If we poke fun at muslims by writing cartoons or draw pictures of mohamed they protest in the street burn flags and storm offices .What do we do ? sit on our asses and watch the news .Maybe the muslims have something to reach us about people power.

 

[QC]

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dave,

Do you honestly feel that if Blair asked Bush for support we would not respond? My understanding is that Blair has categorically ruled out Military action. A huge mistake if you ask me, but I am not sure how we are supposed to support you if indeed you plan to negotiate with "these nutters" . . .

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Do not even think such thing's, i can assure you that if the UK would ask for any help we'd be there asking when and where...........The USA cannot interfere with the UK's policy, over a little **** ant country like Iran, no fear were there poised and ready,,,o

 

[Plainsman]

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Where is all this "nuke 'em" stuff coming from? Get real, a nuke is not the answer. But conventional weapons are another story.

If the Brits ask for help, the USA will be there lock, stock and barrel to help them, without a doubt. This is thier problem. Let them deal with it as they see fit.

 

[treedancer]

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You think this may be the reason that Iran snatched the Brits?

http://en.rian.ru/world/20070330/62861432.html

<<MOSCOW, March 30 (RIA Novosti) - Russian intelligence has information that the U.S. Armed Forces have nearly completed preparations for a possible military operation against Iran, and will be ready to strike in early April, a security official said.>>

<<A senior Russian security official cited military intelligence earlier as saying U.S. Armed Forces had recently intensified training for air and ground operations against Iran.>>

<<A new U.S. carrier battle group has been dispatched to the Gulf. The USS John C. Stennis, with a crew of 3,200 and around 80 fixed-wing aircraft, including F/A-18 Hornet and Superhornet fighter-bombers, eight support ships and four nuclear submarines are heading for the Gulf, where a similar group led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has been deployed since December 2006. The U.S. is also sending Patriot anti-missile systems to the region.>>

 

[Plainsman]

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Don, the Russians also said that Saddam had WMD's. Should we believe them on this?

 

[treedancer]

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The only point I was trying to make was that if the Iranians believed it, that could be the reason that they snatched the Brits.

In their mind, just maybe, that could keep us from bombing them. No ulterior motive just putting forth a conjecture. Now that I have stated the reasoning for my post, please tell me what has Saddam got do with any thing that I said?

 

[POINTER94]

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Kidnapping soldiers in the face of the world. But there is no way Iran supports terrorists. Thank god the world respects the laws of civilized nations. And has the gut s to stand up for what is right.

Vote Democrat, surrender now.

 

[Plainsman]

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Off topic:
Your souce is a Russian News Agency, RIA Novosti. Want to bet it's a state run news agency? The Russian Goverenment said that Saddam had WMD's, which turned out not to be true (so far). Get the connection yet? Give you a hint, both are the Russian government, your source and the Saddam WMD intel .

So why would you believe what is said by the Russian news if what their government said was a lie? (I call it a lie for the "Bush lied, people died" nut jobs. Bad intel I call it).

I guess you'll be quoting Aljazeera news, CNN or MSNBC next.

On topic:

But once again, let the Brits handle it, it's their business.

 

[treedancer]

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The point was not what I think, but what the Iranians think wasn’t it? I wasn’t trying to get anybody to believe the article, but trying to get an understanding to the reason why the Iranians snatched the Brits.

Again see if you can get it in your head, not posting the link to try to brainwash anybody, just trying to understand why they snatched the Brits. Got it?

 

[Plainsman]

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"I wasn’t trying to get anybody to believe the article, but trying to get an understanding to the reason why the Iranians snatched the Brits."

Looks like your contradicting yourself Don? Get it!

Enjoy your

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Tree seriously, after there abduction (UK) Iran post's a get out of Iraq statement to the UK, and granted it is not printed in black and white, what else could you specualte on as to motive?

Or am i reading this wrong, and you do understand there motive.

The Korean's year's ago snatched a American boat, but you did not see them grand stand and say get out of korea?

Question has this ever happened in modern recorded history where a country snatche's armed military personal and demaned a country leave a police action in another country?

I ask you this a fellow boater no polictical side's here at all.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote Tail Gunner

The Korean's year's ago snatched a American boat, but you did not see them grand stand and say get out of korea?

Yes I made a post on the first page on the “US Pueblo. Our troops were held 11 months.


Quote Tail Gunner

Question has this ever happened in modern recorded history where a country snatche's armed military personal and demaned a country leave a police action in another country?

Not that I know of, what makes you think that I am defending them doing that? I'm looking at other angles also, and perhaps taking the Brits is a bit of insurance in their minds. Should we do something? Of course but would be better in my opinion to do it after the Brits have had a chance to do what ever there going to do ,negotiate whatever.

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I ask you this a fellow boater no polictical side's here at all.

OK tail gunner ill take you at your word, and I will tell you this, I haven’t posted a political post on this thread including the one on the first page. Usually when I post anything political, it is rather apparent. Maybe, just maybe, this thread is getting a bit long in the tooth? ? ? Seems everybody is seeing things into post that are not there.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Not at all Tree, first i will tell you this, I sell car's for a living, and after 20 year's of listening to every form of imaginable bs both from the customer's and yes from my self and the manager's along with professional sale's personal i am so tired of spin and sharp angled statement's or question's it almost make's me sick.

Yes it should be apparent by now that i am a conserveative by nature, but in all my travel's and experience's i have learned that the truth is something to be reveared, not shunned in the name of result's.

So now you know a bit of me, the so called armor is off, Thing's in this world are getting out of hand, and i am tired of hearing the USA is part of the problem,

It is time for us all to come together and unite, there is a corny old saying, united we stand and divided we fall.

And yes tree you are a true liberal, or so i think, i am beginning to hate that word because it divides me from finding a common goal, a way to go, resolution if you may.

So i ask you, was this a premeditated attemp to inflame the world and cause discord.

Terrorism as i know it,

PS: how do we unite how do we send a message this will no longer be tolerated, i know armed conflict is a demon to a lot of people..................it digust's me to you have no idea..........but we as a nation need to unite no as a world we need to unite nad until we do people called terroist's will continue to pimp us is the modern word, they used to call it making fool's of us.........

 

[jimlad]

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think its time us brits show them what were made of and show a sign of force all i hear is nothing but lies JIMLAD

 

[POINTER94]

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I don't know, has anyone open a dialoge? Dialoge is very very good. :}

 

[cmyers_uk]

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I must say i am disapointed in the american government as they have shown little support for the UK when we have supported them in every conflict in recent times without question.

The American government IS supporting us, no question. They support us at a tactical level and at UN level. Any military response from us would require help from the Americans and believe me GW and most on this forum would like nothing more than an excuse!.

Never underestimate how close our countries work together the US is our greatest friend and as is shown in Iraq and afganistan we are theres!.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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I must say i am disapointed in the american government as they have shown little support for the UK when we have supported them in every conflict in recent times without question.

[colour=blue]What are you talking about here? The Royal Navy must have had some very wimpy engagement protocols or HMS Cornwall would have blown those Iranian boats out of the water, (or they were sleepin'). President Bush can't possibly take the lead on this as it is the British who must decide what to do, and Rubber is looking spot on here. The Iranians have found weakness and that means they will work this for what it is worth. Look for a real humiliation, and a big reward for torture and parading the kidnaped hostages for maximum advantage, (as they are now doing) Deja Vu 1979 anyone? Where are you Maggie Thatcher? Iran has shown the West to be nothing but paper n' fuzzy feelings the future is not lookin' very good. Start getting some knee pads for the once great British Empire. Very sad.[/colour]

I am also disgusted in the Uk government who should show some balls my god were acting like the surrender monkey french!. this is an act of war and if it comes to it i would sign up to stop these nutters from further forcing our troops to spout propeganda and running roughshod over the Uk the Un and civilisation in general.

[colour=blue]This part of your post is correct. Why is this the American's fault? We have John Kerry and John Murtha to stab us in the back, (which they have been doing quite well), but President Bush may still put his job on the line if Mr Blair showed some hair and asked him to. The American Left will likely try to impeach Bush on their own, and if we deal with Iran you can count on it. Nothing short of defeat will be tollorated by American Democrats, but that still may not stop Mr. Bush if he were just asked. If Britan would rather grovel there is nothing Mr Bush can do. Surrender is very popular in the West right now.[/colour]

If we poke fun at muslims by writing cartoons or draw pictures of mohamed they protest in the street burn flags and storm offices .What do we do ?

[colour=blue]Pray to Mecca five time per day, n' turn over all military technology to Iran, it will get ya a few months of peace before ya have ta loose somthing else dear. Not a very bright future unless your people n' their government can find some steel. Sorry: very sad. JR[/colour]

sit on our asses and watch the news .Maybe the muslims have something to reach us about people power.

[colour=blue]After something American is blown up, (like NY or Wash DC, or Seattle) you will see some action. It will get much worse before it gets better. Too bad no one studies history anymore, (but: take comfort in our knowledge and acceptance of homosexuality). That means they/we have to learn what they/we should have known: the hard way, (gonna be a lot of trouble commin': sorry). The American and European Left must be very happy. Sooo sad. JR[/colour]

 

[davemaxi1970]

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my apology for not writing the perfect post I am a little heat up over the kidnapping and obvious coercion of our troops to use as propoganda tools .I meant to say the U.S. Has not released a statement to 100% back up our stance that we were not in iranian waters and instead stopped short. Of course if the time came I am sure the US would help us if we asked and I am also sure the american people would support us too. I just dont trust Bush and never have . I hated Margaret Thatcher but I wonder if The Iranians would be so bold if she were still in power? Blair is to soft I fear . I would never insult my american cousins i kinda like you guys ,hence the reason I spend my spare time on this site!

 

[QC]

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Roger dave, although Maggie and Ronnie would've had the Iranian's heads on platters by now . . . How many days did they keep our hostages on Reagan's watch . . . one . . . Oh, oh, and their current, racist, f'ed up President was there helping . . .