Re: under deck foam
Normally, my education level doesn't allow for the interaction with idiocy that I am seeing here, but sometimes I just have to dive on in. If I took my boat to an actual professional place of business and discovered that an inferior product was used, I would take them to court. It is one thing for a backyard boat builder to use something like Great Stuff, its his boat, its his business. To actually have the nerve to come on to an internet message forum and attack someone, and then laughably tell everyone here that a place of business is using a home product for a marine application is just insane. <br /><br />Once again, I'll spell this out for you, since your lack of maturity is taking over, that I never said the Great Stuff wouldn't work. It will work. It just will be more difficult to deal with, and after an extended period of time, it is more likely to absorb water than 2 part. 30 days underwater without saturation, while fairly impressive, means little. Try a year, two years, ten years, and see if it has absorbed water. Yes, even 2 part can saturate, but it takes a very long time of continued exposure, far longer than a home product.<br /><br />I guess you have difficulty grasping the concept of bouyancy. If a 19 foot boat weighs 2000 pounds fully rigged, how much water must be displaced to keep it afloat? 30 cubic feet. How many boats have 30 cubic feet of volume under their floors? not many. So what is an optimal way to do this? fill as much of the void as possible. Boat builders also sprayed foam up under the sides, splashwell, all sorts of places to try to help.<br /><br />Again, don't sleep through this, take a boat like Boaston Whaler, who uses foam for its structure. The smaller boats consist almost entirely of foam, and they have been doing this since the 50s. Take all those "composite" premanufactured stringer systems that are foam sandwiched between layers of fiberglass. Foam has good structural uses, it can't be discounted. As for keeping the boat you talked about from sinking, that is great. I cannot swim, so the thought of getting holed and sinking makes me want to vomit, so that is why I went with foam, to prevent exactly what happened with the boat you talk about.<br /><br />As for the "mopes" who bag on Bayliner, they bag for a reason. there was a period of time where Bayliner was not using enough layers in the hull layup, to save costs, and also they have always been known for marginal fit and finish. You combine the slack manufacturing techniques with the fact that a lot of people don't care for their boats very well, and combine all that with the fact that Bayliner cranked a lot of boats out means you end up with a lot of boats in bad condition. I personally like they way some of the Bayliners look, and have considered find a dogged out one, stripping it, and laying up the extra layers needed. Yeah, it would not be wise as an investement, but I would end up with a boat that looks good and won't crack if you fart too hard.<br /><br />In conclusion, how alienating do you think it is to come onto a message forum and start calling people morons, especially since you have only posted 32 times? We all come to this place to get different ideas, different opinions on how to do something. Some ideas are crazy, some are grounded in fact, but they all gives people different options to explore. Some of us have little money, some are loaded. All of us just want the best boat we can build or repair. You are in no position to come on and so rudely insult others who do not share your opinion. I normally do no participate in such behavior, it is immature, but I am taking exception in this case and will continue until a moderator steps in. The saddest thing of all is any new person who comes on is going to see this little exchange and may be turned off, figured this is another one of those message forums chok full of E-rage, people who are gutless in the real world but are balls up on the internet. I just hope the original poster had learned enough to decide what route to take, and not be discouraged by your poor attitude, and my need to defend myself against your lack of civility.<br /><br />Great Stuff. Stays crunchy, even in milk...
