Unraveling of 2004 election theft cover-up.

[jtexas]

Re: Unraveling of 2004 election theft cover-up.

Hmmmmm. If "tens of thousands of votes" were switched from Kerry to W on an accellerated recount, who is getting prosecuted for the bogus first count??

good question. election fraud is fraud. Glad to see you haven't thrown in with the "conservative-but-soft-on-crime-when-the-crime-suits-me" crowd.

What happens if it turns out Ohio actually went the other way? We get a do-over. Take back the last 2 years, all legislation, exec orders, appointments signed become null and void, all the beaurocrats have to give back their paychecks, all taxes collected get refunded.... LOL. Actually, the law states that once a president is sworn in, you can't take it back. Besides which, do you have any idea how long it takes to evict a tenant in the District of Columbia? By the time they got 'em kicked out of the White House his term would be over anyway, and the law clearly states that whomever resides in the White House gets to be the president.

 

[PW2]

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Hmmmmm. If "tens of thousands of votes" were switched from Kerry to W on an accellerated recount, who is getting prosecuted for the bogus first count??

good question. election fraud is fraud. Glad to see you haven't thrown in with the "conservative-but-soft-on-crime-when-the-crime-suits-me" crowd.

What happens if it turns out Ohio actually went the other way? We get a do-over. Take back the last 2 years, all legislation, exec orders, appointments signed become null and void, all the beaurocrats have to give back their paychecks, all taxes collected get refunded.... LOL. Actually, the law states that once a president is sworn in, you can't take it back. Besides which, do you have any idea how long it takes to evict a tenant in the District of Columbia? By the time they got 'em kicked out of the White House his term would be over anyway, and the law clearly states that whomever resides in the White House gets to be the president.

Bottom line is fraud is fraud.
While it is impossible to change the results, before we continue to try to export democracy around the world at the point of a gun, we ought to figure out how to practice it at home.

 

[ricksrster]

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The Election is actually just a poll for the State legislatures. it is the electoral college from the different states that vote for President.

 

[ricksrster]

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Once the electors vote, the election is over. Ohio gave its electors to Bush, He won. There is no turning back. Get over it. Get a life. Find someone new to abuse unjustly.

 

[jtexas]

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forgot to mention above...I just made up the part about "the law states..." But if you take back the election results, then I'll have a photo of myself & my dad with a just an ex-president/rancher and his wife hanging on my wall. Nobody wants that. Do they?

 

[JB]

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You guys missed my point completely.

If a recount, accellerated or not, found "tens of thousands" of votes that had been first counted for Kerry but belonged to Bush somebody should have to answer for that first, fraudulent count that tried to swing the vote to Kerry.

Or is the claim of "tens of thousands" votes being fraudulently counted for Kerry a bogus claim?

Pay attention, Dudes.8)

 

[12Footer]

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The following is a quote from Rush Limbaugh which explains the efforts seen here in this thread and around the country.
I happen to agree 100% with it, and often wonder how we sit back and allow this cancerous behaviour to run amok... But then the same document they wipe their bottoms upon, protects their "rights" as traitors.

RUSH LIMBAUGH: (morning update, 1/12/07
"Well, the president has seen his political party lose both legislative houses,and he now presides over a devided goernment. Poles Are OVEWHELMINGLY against him, esspecially on his handling of Iraq.
Powerfull media outlets have used their influence to undermine this president's policies at EVERY turn, and to relentlessly paint this war as "a hopeless cause".
Some have gone so far as to publish classified material, revealing national security secrets to our enemies.
Some have doctored war photos.
Some have even aired enemy footage of our soldiers being assasinated by enemy snipers -- PROPAGNDA footage they aquired thru colaboration with the enemy!
Some federal judges have also overstepped their constitutional roles to confer constitutional rights on foriegn terrorists! Other judges have hampered or blocked our efforts to spy on foriegn terrorists who communicate with their operatives inbedded in this country.
Now, in the opening stages of the 2008 presidential campaign,polticians on both sides of the isle have spurned our most vital national security objective, and that is winning the war on Islamic terror... Instead, they are inclined to pander to those weak americans who are inclined to cut-n-run. Faced with all of these adversities, men of lesser character might choose the path of bending to public opinion -- but this president is determined to that america WILL prevail in this difficult war.
It's no 'happy accident' that the powers given to the commander in chief over our military is invested in ONE person, the presdient. Once again,the wisdom of our founding fathers is what stands between US and disaster."




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[rodbolt]

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what a bunch of pain killer induced, anal cystic drivel. and the use of the word "pole" is amusing.
it fits with the CIC.
and no the CIC does not have supreme power no matter how many stars get wished upon. I am glad I live to far from any radio stations to actually listen to the blowhard.

 

[jtexas]

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LOL that Rush guy is always good for a few laughs. "Divided" government. LOL. Undermined by "powerful media outlets." LOL. Revealing secrets to the enemy. LOL. Doctor war photos. LOL. propaganda footage/collaboration with the enemy. LOL. The guy's a commedian. Pandering to the paranoid. What amazes me is the number of people who actually think he is broadcasting news - and by "news" I mean factual accounts of actual events.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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LOL that Rush guy is always good for a few laughs. "Divided" government. LOL.

HMMMM, guess you haven't paid attention since 11/2006 eh Jtex?

Undermined by "powerful media outlets." LOL. Revealing secrets to the enemy. LOL. Doctor war photos. LOL. propaganda footage/collaboration with the enemy. LOL.

HMMMMM, guess you haven't been payin' attention to much o' the other things either, eh Jtex?

The guy's a commedian. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE!

Pandering to the paranoid. What amazes me is the number of people who actually think he is broadcasting news - and by "news" I mean factual accounts of actual events.

Ya know Jtex, Rush is a 'news comentator', and since you think nothin' in 12 Footer's post is factual why don't ya set us straight with the REAL TRUTH? Let's start with what's in your pipe? JR8)

 

[jtexas]

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who said nothin is factual? this part is right "Poles Are OVEWHELMINGLY against him, esspecially on his handling of Iraq." besides which, it's opinion, not fact. as you noted, he's a commentator.

I'm not stupid. and I don't think Americans are stupid either. He says polls are against the president because nobody knows what's going on due to the influence of the powerful media. I think polls are against him because people do know what's going on, and they don't like it. Opinion. Not fact.

He says judges have overstepped their authority...that's an opinion, not a fact. He says they've conferred rights on terrorists - I say they've tried to confer rights on prisoners - not all prisoners were picked up on a battlefield with weapons in their hands. He says they've blocked efforts to spy on terrorists...I say they've blocked efforts to unconstitutionally spy on Americans. Opinion, not fact.

On and on and on...we don't even know whether Rush believes that what he's saying is true; all we know for sure is that he believes it will induce advertisers to pay more for air time during his show.

 

[Parrott_head]

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For once we have total agreement on this board, it's just that the agreement seems to be that our voting tabulation system is prone to manipulation.

My opinion, and only my opinion, is new system of voting tabulation needs to be adopted. I would prefer what is used in my state, which involves paper ballots in which you connect two halves of an arrow by the name, or party if voting straight party, of the candidate you wish to vote for or for or against any state question. T ballot is then fed into a photo-optic scanner system for tabulation.

That way you have quick compilation of the votes with a paper trail for any recount that may be required. The ballots are simple to use and if spoiled can still be fed into the system to keep the number issued equal to the number cast.

I also think an investigation should be conducted into any serious allegation of fraud and if persons are found guilty they should be made to serve lengthy prison terms.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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jtexas Stated:

I'm not stupid. and I don't think Americans are stupid either.

JRs' Reply: I would never call you or the American people stupid, (your coments are a li'l cynical, and you don't seem to have a very high opinion of people who enjoy Rush), that's all I'm observin' here jtex.

He says polls are against the president because nobody knows what's going on due to the influence of the powerful media. I think polls are against him because people do know what's going on, and they don't like it. Opinion. Not fact.

JRs Reply HMMMM, just how do you and the American people get their info jtex? Maybe David Letterman? Was Harry Truman or Abe Lincoln popular jtex? Were they terrible Presidents due to their contemporary unpopularity jtex? HMMMM.

He says judges have overstepped their authority...that's an opinion, not a fact. NAH jtex, YOU ARE WRONG ON THIS ONE: THAT IS A FACT! He says they've conferred rights on terrorists - I say they've tried to confer rights on prisoners - not all prisoners were picked up on a battlefield with weapons in their hands. Don't know jtex, as I wasn't there, HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS Li'l FACT jtex? Ben there done that a few times? He says they've blocked efforts to spy on terrorists...I say they've blocked efforts to unconstitutionally spy on Americans. Your wrong here too, a LIBERAL FEDERAL JUDGE APOINTED BY S' WILLY DID BLOCK us: Fact not Fiction jtex. Opinion, not fact.

You did a LOL about "Divided Government", jus' smokin' or what?

Finally, what's in the pipe jtex?

Jus havin' a li'l fun jtex, please don't take my carp personally. I do think you are very sharp. Respectfully JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

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For once we have total agreement on this board, it's just that the agreement seems to be that our voting tabulation system is prone to manipulation.

My opinion, and only my opinion, is new system of voting tabulation needs to be adopted. I would prefer what is used in my state, which involves paper ballots in which you connect two halves of an arrow by the name, or party if voting straight party, of the candidate you wish to vote for or for or against any state question. T ballot is then fed into a photo-optic scanner system for tabulation.

That way you have quick compilation of the votes with a paper trail for any recount that may be required. The ballots are simple to use and if spoiled can still be fed into the system to keep the number issued equal to the number cast.

I also think an investigation should be conducted into any serious allegation of fraud and if persons are found guilty they should be made to serve lengthy prison terms.

Hey Parrott: don't know if there is total agreement here about this stuff. I think Bro Haut was right on, (as he is many times), when he said: "Election losers will always snivel when the count is close". Respectfully JR

 

[jtexas]

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"you don't seem to have a very high opinion of people who enjoy Rush" sorry, I didn't articulate my opinion well enough - I am surprised at the number of intelligent, educated people who believe that Rush is delivering the news, as opposed to editorial opinion (for commercial gain) - not that I don't think highly of them, just don't think highly of that aspect of their personality. Doesn't surprise me that a lot of people agree with his opinions and I don't think less of them for that.

I'm not saying people don't get information from the media, I'm saying the media reports what happens and people form their own opinions of it. I guess, if you're saying that what Rush means is that if nobody knew what was going on, the president wouldn't be so unpopular, I'd have to agree. What I understood, from what I read, is that Rush is asserting that the media is misleading the public. As disgusted as I am sometimes with what passes for news on the MSM, I think the truth occasionally leaks through, and the American public is saavy enough to eventually figure it out.

Who is the ultimate arbiter of what is judicial authority? I don't accept Rush...what are your qualifications, maybe you can have the job.

Some prisoners were arrested while traveling abroad in Europe & other places - heard it on the news - at least as credible a source as Rush Limbaugh. Some people think there should be a limit on how long you hold somebody without charges, without access to legal advice, without access to friends & family. I think it's a reasonable assertion, unless you caught 'em red-handed, say, on a battlefield or with a bomb strapped to their belt. But that's just my opinion.

Divided government - it's no more divided than it should be (that's just my opinion), but granted it's unusual for W's term, so I take that LOL back...what's the protocol? how bout OLO? or NLOL? have to give that one some thought & get back to ya on that.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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"you don't seem to have a very high opinion of people who enjoy Rush" sorry, I didn't articulate my opinion well enough - I am surprised at the number of intelligent, educated people who believe that Rush is delivering the news, as opposed to editorial opinion (for commercial gain) - not that I don't think highly of them, just don't think highly of that aspect of their personality. Doesn't surprise me that a lot of people agree with his opinions and I don't think less of them for that.

I'm not saying people don't get information from the media, I'm saying the media reports what happens and people form their own opinions of it. I guess, if you're saying that what Rush means is that if nobody knew what was going on, the president wouldn't be so unpopular, I'd have to agree. What I understood, from what I read, is that Rush is asserting that the media is misleading the public. As disgusted as I am sometimes with what passes for news on the MSM, I think the truth occasionally leaks through, and the American public is saavy enough to eventually figure it out.

Who is the ultimate arbiter of what is judicial authority? I don't accept Rush...what are your qualifications, maybe you can have the job.

Some prisoners were arrested while traveling abroad in Europe & other places - heard it on the news - at least as credible a source as Rush Limbaugh. Some people think there should be a limit on how long you hold somebody without charges, without access to legal advice, without access to friends & family. I think it's a reasonable assertion, unless you caught 'em red-handed, say, on a battlefield or with a bomb strapped to their belt. But that's just my opinion.

Divided government - it's no more divided than it should be (that's just my opinion), but granted it's unusual for W's term, so I take that LOL back...what's the protocol? how bout OLO? or NLOL? have to give that one some thought & get back to ya on that.

Reply: Thanks for the thoughtful response, I think we basically agree on many points here. (At least you didn't give me much room to get back at ya). I just don't think you can stereotype people in this great country very effectively. (I know I do it too). Respectfully JR