Update 2: BOUGHT IT!

tekmunki

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(renamed from yet another noob thread, what boat to buy)

Greetings!

I figure I'm so lost and have read a few hundred conflicting threads here that all touch lightly on my situation. I'll throw as much info about my situation at you as possible- and from that, you can possibly help me find a class of boat that works...

My mechanical knowledge is minimal, other than bolt on mechanical work on my vehicles over the years, (Coils, Alternators, O2 sensors, belts, intakes, etc etc etc) I've never worked on a boat. I am not afraid to get dirty or work on it myself, but after hearing stories of motors ran out of water- I'm wondering what I'll be able to actually do in my own back yard.

I have a overhang built in my backyard that used to store ATV's, it will allow me to put half of the boat under it for storage, I was planning on covering the rest up during the winters--- It's Florida, north central to be exact- no snow, but strong sun. I have the Suwannee River, Jacksonville, and Horeshoe beach within 50 minutes driving distance--- it's prime boat appeal.

I'll be towing the boat with a 2006 F-150 w/ a 5.4- it has a trans cooler, max rating 6000lbs towing. (O/D off & it should be fine)

I've been on several deep sea charters, as well as some friend's 17' bass boats... but I'm in a unique situation- my wife came along and did fine on the larger charters with a dose of dramamine. To clarify this statement, my wife get's seasick easily- so I will need a larger boat and stay in rivers and flats mostly, nothing offshore or too choppy.

I have two young children, a 4 y/o boy and a 9 y/o girl... both love to fish- but neither have never been on any boat smaller than 22'- as clumsy children are, I doubt they'd do well on a bass boat, or any boat without a decent rail system for them to hold onto. I also plan on someday getting scuba certified and enjoying the Suwannee cave diving.

I have never ski'd, but I'm certain my daughter is going to want to; or at least be pulled in an inflatable or a wake-board. The option would be nice, but isn't a must- I'd rather have good fuel efficiency and low maintenance cost over any benefits---

I do not want a boat that is a TON of work and maintenance, but understand that I will have to winterize it and maintain it - what I don't want is to hop in over my head and pay $2000 in repair bills every Spring. I'd rather start small and reasonable and learn boating than to grab a $10,000 offshore boat loaded with electronics- I'm more for a practical boat than a dream boat.

What I've considered is a 20' pontoon boat, or possibly something like a 92 Stingray i saw advertised for $700. My budget is minimal, I want to spend no more than $1500 on a starter boat- like I said, I'm willing to make sacrifices, I just want to get out in something that floats and runs cheaply- it doesn't have to be pretty- I'm willing to take the hit and call it a learning boat and trade-up in a few years- but I also don't want my initial investment to flop and get no entertainment return. A pontoon seems to fit the bill in size and practicality on the freshwater side, but I was nervous about taking it into saltwater- where I'll do most of my fishing. I don't need a ton of HP.

Perhaps someone can recommend something that isn't a pontoon boat that seats 4-6 people, is great for saltwater and freshwater fishing, big enough that it doesn't bounce around/rock a lot, easy to find parts, and can adapt easily but isn't a pain to fish in.


Yes, I'm asking a lot for a little. :p I can take it if you think it's unreasonable.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for hosting these forums and site as such a great resource, I've learned a lot already just reading similar threads.
 

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You want ease of maintenance and able to run in the saltwater.. Get something with a outboard.. I work on my I/O, oh all the time.. Every outboard I ever had.. Drank gas, but always ran good..

Good luck on your boat hunt.. Post some pictures of what you find...
 

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If you start with a $700 boat, or even a $1500 boat, you are starting with a project and worse, unreliability--a deal breaker if you are boating with a non-boater wife and 2 small children.

Generally speaking I steer new boaters to a 17' center console outboard with bow seating. I say this b/c you want to combine a smaller size (including weight) for ease of use (and cost) and at the same time maximize roominess. Remember that a capacity plate that says "6" does not include the word "comfortably!" Although peoople are different, lots of people get seasick in large boats even ships but not in small boats. The only times I've felt queasy was on boats bigger than 200'.
Look for a basic hull (not a bass boat, as you said) and a good running outboard. A whole lot less to go wrong. A self-bailing boat is not as likely to have the rot problems as a closed-in bow rider type--avoid them at all costs. But because the small center console outboard is the optimum boat for your use, they will be hard to find, especially this late in the season.
A 17' whaler or carolina skiff would be a great fit for you. Look at Scout and Palm Beach as well.
 

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Home Cookin' gave you some REALLY good advice. I would up your budget a little - between $2,000 & $3,000, even if that means you need to wait and save up a little. Start watching Craigslist and see what's being sold and how much people are asking. Especially as you approach the end of the season some REALLY good deals will likely start to show up. Going up that notch in boat price will likely help keep you on the water and out of the garage (well ... more anyway).

Make sure you go look at a few boats - even some new ones. I don't recommend buying a new one, but it'll give you an idea of what you "like" and don't like on your boat. All the nice puffy seats on the new models are pretty and comfy - but they take up a BUNCH of deck space that some of the older more plain tubs have for things like coolers, beach bags, dogs, toys and whatever other "tonnage" a family hauls out to the lake with.

With kids - something with high gunwales (sides) and decent seats is a must. Having fiberglass or wood decks as opposed to carpet makes it nice because a hose and a scrub brush clean it up fast and nice (boats with those floors are typically self bailing too). I'm partial to tri-hulls, though they don't get built much anymore. The Whaler or Carolina Skiff that Home Cookin' suggested are in that same category. They won't handle big water chop as well, but in the typical inland water they're really stable and make a nice platform for someone who gets seasick easier - they also drop a nice table for skiing and tubing and their great for fishing.

I just bought my latest boat last year. While looking (here in Tennessee) most of what I found for sale was 18' to 20' V-hull bowriders with I/O's. If that is what you wind up looking at - they aren't bad boats either (not my first choice). The problem is they're popular and they get "rode hard and put up wet." Most of them live very hard lives with boaters who run the daylights out of them. LOOK OVER ANY OF THEM CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU BUY IT - better yet, have a good marine mechanic look at it first. And if you haven't driven it on the water - don't even consider it. Check the floors and transom and make sure there is nothing soft. You'll have more options for center console types in Florida than I did, but I'm sure you'll see a lot of bowriders too.

My family has been inland boating for 40 years. The wife and kids got roped into it just by being around me, and we're still enjoying it. Hope y'all do too!
 

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I had been looking for well over a year and the boat I finally purchased was not something I thought I was looking for. Every boat is a compromise, and I did what you did - made a list of requirements and "rated" prospective boats / watercraft on that list.

For instance I want water sports but am limited by what I can tow - so a big V8 or V6 I/O was out. The boat I bought was better than average in all of my categories - perfect in none!

I think you are on the right track - and have received some great advice above.

jh

PS: My list:
Less than 2500lbs (tow vehicle rated for 3500lbs)
Less than $10k
EZ to tow/launch (had a sailboat, weight was okay but difficult to tow/launch)
Water sports
Dry ride
Reliable
EZ / Inexpensive maintenance / repair
EZ / Inexpensive to store inside
EZ / Inexpensive to operate (fuel)
Enough capacity for kids and friends
Not a project (already have one - building a small sailboat)
Longer operating season (I was considering PWC's too)
 

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Thank you for the great advice... I've come across a few local options based on your advice--- and one that I probably would have fallen into had i not posted here. :) So you've saved me- I think... ;)

Here's what I was considering--- knowing I'll sink an easy 2-3k getting it cleaned up and sea-worthy. (probably underestimated that)
http://lakecity.craigslist.org/boa/2413262685.html


Here's what I'm looking at, after your above advice-

Most serious consideration atm:
http://www.mcduffiemarine.com/Page....tails/1999-Sea-Chaser-Center-Console-186.aspx

Or:
http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/2413380212.html

http://lakecity.craigslist.org/boa/2403167583.html
(just kidding, but i saw this- thought it was funny and you'd get a kick out of it)



Now, I'm wondering how well these are going to do on the Suwannee--- perhaps they may be too big- I know some sections get really shallow and there's deadhead logs all over the place--- I'm a little worried about taking a cruise-ship into a puddle-- Almost everything I see on the Suwannee are bass boats, small boats, and pontoon boats.

I'm planning on an good 50/50 salt flats and freshwater river fishing as a primary use- half the time will be with family, the rest of the time with a good friend... everything else is just extra.
 

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The Sea Chaser is far and away the most promising of the group.

The Four Winns? Can't test it, so you have only the seller's word for what it needs. Stay away.

Boston Whaler with an OMC jet drive? OMC's been out of the business for over a decade, and I doubt that the jet drive was a real popular model. Do you wanna boat, or do you want to spend your time haunting ebay for parts you can't find anywhere else?

The hovercraft? Too far outside my frame of reference. No comment.

Keep looking (that's actually a pretty fun pastime in itself) and good luck!
 

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If the Suwanee is that shallow why not consider a big john boat? Should be able to find something old but serviceable that fits your budget. Welcome aboard.:cool:
 

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The Sea Chaser is far and away the most promising of the group

I really like the yamaha outboard.. Had one that was the same hp and everything.. Great little engine... Big V will ride nice.. Spend the extra and get that one...

All that other stuff is crap... There are some OMC parts available.. Not much for that jet drive..
 

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If you look at outboards, you might want to look at a 4 cycle. You might make up for the extra cost of the motor in gas alone.
 

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the sea chaser was exactly what I was describing--perfect family boat. Look for something like it if it's gone.

It's made by Carolina Skiff. A little on the cheap side but not in a bad way.
 

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Went out in a sea chaser yesterday- caught our limit of 2 sharks, then tacked on some catfish and a couple of speckled trout keepers... I'm sold on the above recommendation of something along the lines of the sea chaser/carolina skiff- it's exactly what I'm looking for- now I'll be patient and wait on a really good buy- possibly wait for the off-season and be smart about it... I also plan on taking a boating course before making the purchase- way too much that I don't know- and I'm not one to put my family at risk.

Thanks again- you guys are great. (back to reading these forums, I go!)
 

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Good for you on the education. As a US Power Squadron member and frequent 'course taker' I love to hear that kind of talk.

Now that you've settled on an outboard-powered, center console boat your job just got a lot easier. They're all over the place and you're bound to find a great deal with a little patience and a bit of searching.

Best of luck- keep us posted.
 

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BTW, I had a convo with another boater about the motor on the Sea Chaser - he said there's plenty of problems with running them on E10 fuel, which unfortunately is all that's available in my area. After doing some research it turns he's right- which put some big brakes on my purchasing this type of motor... Sad too, because I was pretty sold- knowing it's certainly had E10 in it for the last 11 years makes me a little cautious, not knowing how the previous owner compensated or took any precautions. I'm curious how to proceed finding a motor that actually works well in an E10 'only' area- or is it unreasonable to find a 'used' one that is going to be 'corn resistant' (lol). As I know, the ONLY place that gives non ethanol fuels is at a dock 60 miles south of me. :(
 

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ignore that "convo." All motors are being run on E10 these days. It requires you to treat and filter the fuel, but is has nothing to do with the brand. It's just part of boating now.
I don't remember what motor it was but most likely a Yamaha? Not a problem more than only other.
 

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ignore that "convo." All motors are being run on E10 these days. It requires you to treat and filter the fuel, but is has nothing to do with the brand. It's just part of boating now.
I don't remember what motor it was but most likely a Yamaha? Not a problem more than only other.

Ditto that. E10 has been a fact of life for decades in most parts of the country.
 

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Well, alrighty then- :) That's good news- and opens doors back up for me---

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/boa/2423236819.html

Probably going to test run this one.... Is this Angler along the same lines as the Sea Chaser/CS - looks like it may have more room.
 

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don't know Angler. Hull design looks like a Scout or Palm Beach, which are good options.
Some may find a 90 a little small on an 18 but it should probably do fine for you since you aren't looking for "top end" performance.
Can't see the bow seating area; that's important for family use.
Whatever boat you get you will modify some. First thing I'd do is put a grab rail around the windshield.
 

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Major Update:

I took the only local 'boater safety course this week and should have a card in the mail soon (not required by law, I'm technically exempt but I did it anyways)- Not sure if 8 hours was enough learning- so I've signed up for one of the 'online' ordeals that supposedly has video and flash animations - that I don't actually have to pay for because I'm not going to take the exam again- just learn w/e this course failed to teach me. I gotta say, I learned a ton, and they gave me a lot more materials to read than they actually covered- but I'm a little weary being the entire class, we never physically visited a boat- just talked about a few models in a classroom and watched a couple of videos. I can promise you, there's no way 50% of that is going to stick without physically doing it... regardless, I've been shopping locally and found next to nothing--- and then this gem came across my desk...



MY "POSSIBLE" FINAL CONTENDER:

This was a bank repo, it is stripped of all electronics except the uniden vhf radio (antennae missing) and the captains bench was removed --- probably all happened during the repo. My wife saw some of the smaller 17-19 ft and was nervous having the kids on it--- I think she'll be more than happy with this monster.

21' Polar , Bay Boat w/ Semi-V Hull
Seastar Steering
Bimini Top 6' (stainless rails)
Motor was serviced and compression checked on all cylinders (saw it myself)
2000 EFI 150hp Salt Water Series II Motor
Includes Aluminum Tandom Axle Trailer

I'm taking it out this Saturday and running it by the bank for their own inspection- he is asking a very reasonable price- and the bank is helping me a little bit- (6.9% is low for a boat this old, right?) I can buy it as is, or he offered to wet-sand, add a fish finder and GPS, and replace the bench with captains chairs for $2k- I think I'd rather do the shopping myself and get what I want than have him select it for me--- I may take him up on just the wetsanding and matching chairs or a bench if he'll do it for a reasonable price... (what would you consider reasonable?)

I went to NADA to get a quote, and didn't see a 21' model for that year--- I'm a little concerned it may not be a 2000--- if so, being the capacity plate is worn out, how would I tell? I guess I could ask him to look at the title, but if it's newer than 2000, he might up the price. LOL

Pictures that I took:
2000 Polar Bay Boat 21'
 

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How much? Where is everyone going to ride?
 
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