Updating the motor on an old boat

SkaterRace

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Bit of an off spot, my father now owns my old boat but he is not happy with the enigne being old and leaving him/us stranded a few times. Last summer he said he wanted a new engine on it, was thinking a 5 year old engine. I am not sure this is possible since the boat is a 1977 Crestliner Crusader 550 (one in my signature).

What his ideal is would be a reliable mercury 5-7 years old and about 50hp (it is rated for a 90 but he doesn't like speed at all).

I was thinking of buying this for him though then left with how to install it and if it even fits. What I am hoping from this post is to tell me if this is even reasonable to do the swap on and if he will regret the 50hp over something like a 75hp
 

hardwater fisherman

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What motor is on it now? I think the rule is something like no less than 75% of max hp rating. So probably 65 or 70hp would be the minimum you would want . Edit okay I saw that it is a 85 hp.
 

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What motor is on it now? I think the rule is something like no less than 75% of max hp rating. So probably 65 or 70hp would be the minimum you would want . Edit okay I saw that it is a 85 hp.
Currrently it has an 80 or 85 on it, I don't remember. I think the boat goes slow for 80hp but the engine is old so probably not putting out much HP compared to what it should. His goal for power/speed is enough to get on plane in 6 inch chop and go into a headwind.
 

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My oldest daughter had a 1975 which was rated for 80hp with a 70hp Johnson and it had plenty of power. Looked up the specs for the 1977 and it is listed as 100# heavier and rated for 90hp. Now sure how well 50 hp would do on yours.
 

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FWIW......the older motors are usually simpler and more reliable than many of the "newer"motors.

Motor reliability is directly proportional to the maintenance it recieves

Have not stated what your motor is yet, what issues you are having. The only things we know are the boat is a 1977, the motor on it is either a 80 or 85hp.

If the motor is a 1977 vintage, it will be crank rated and not prop rated. This will be one reason it may not have the power you feel it should

Rating systems changed in the 80s

Keep in mind, depending on manufacture, the mounting pattern will have changed in the 80s as well

When was the last time the fuel system was serviced? Ignition system? Motor could be down a cylinder or two. Not because of age, however something simple.

If you and your dad do repower. Remember these:

Newer 4-stroke motors are much heavier than their 2-stroke counterparts.

Get motor AND controls

Motor mouning has changed

A 44 year old fiberglass boat may be carrying around a few hundred pounds of water below the deck. Make sure to check the transom and stringers
 

SkaterRace

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FWIW......the older motors are usually simpler and more reliable than many of the "newer"motors.

Motor reliability is directly proportional to the maintenance it recieves

Have not stated what your motor is yet, what issues you are having. The only things we know are the boat is a 1977, the motor on it is either a 80 or 85hp.

If the motor is a 1977 vintage, it will be crank rated and not prop rated. This will be one reason it may not have the power you feel it should

Rating systems changed in the 80s

Keep in mind, depending on manufacture, the mounting pattern will have changed in the 80s as well

When was the last time the fuel system was serviced? Ignition system? Motor could be down a cylinder or two. Not because of age, however something simple.

If you and your dad do repower. Remember these:

Newer 4-stroke motors are much heavier than their 2-stroke counterparts.

Get motor AND controls

Motor mouning has changed

A 44 year old fiberglass boat may be carrying around a few hundred pounds of water below the deck. Make sure to check the transom and stringers
Thanks for the detailed response, a few things, the motor is a 1984 Mercury so I am not sure where it sits on the rating but it currently has enough power. My father is the one who wants less on it than it already has.

As for the older being more reliable if maintaned, I know they are solid engines and my vote was to have the engine rebuilt - already had a major service and tune up which helped a lot though I doubt it is down a cylinder because of how it responds and talking to the mechanic - however my father (the owner of the boat/enigne now) is determined it is old and needs replacing. Over the years growing up I never had much money so I always bought old boats/motors that were never in good shape and 4-5 times a year we would get stranded so that is what has driven his idea of old motors being unreliable. No changing his mind on this. The motor on it now left us stranded twice last year - we did 6 trips out in that boat between us - both times were human error ie I told him it needed a new fuel line because it had a hole in it so air got in, next was we ran out of gas because he decided to only bring about 2 gallons and go WOT... I normally go by 1/3 out 1/3 back and 1/3 spare but he thought he knew better than I did.

I know the 4 stroke are heavy compared to the old 2 strokes which is why I was hoping to find a newer 2 stroke from Mercury though I didn't see it on a local dealers site that I normally deal with so guessing they are not made anymore by Mercury and I have been advised to avoid the eTecs even though they are good motors - mainly because I am told repairs get expensive over time due to bad company practices though not sure how true that is.

As for if the boat is carrying water or not, I really don't think so, I rebuilt the transom in 2016-2017 along with checking for any water logged areas. No water was found in the deck or below deck but did find some small rot in the transom. It was replaced because a mechanic crashed it while moving it into the shop and broke the transom to where it was not safe to use anymore.
 

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sounds like operator error. or as my buddy's race mechanic says...... need to tighten the nut behind the wheel.

the fuel issues are maintenance and not having enough fuel. that would also happen with a new motor if it had the same issues.
 

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sounds like operator error. or as my buddy's race mechanic says...... need to tighten the nut behind the wheel.

the fuel issues are maintenance and not having enough fuel. that would also happen with a new motor if it had the same issues.
Oh yes very much operator error on his part, I spoke to him again explaining it was not just me who thought the issues this summer were his issues not the motor (I showed him this post) and is still convinced the motor is bad and needs replacement.

I'm hoping that if we don't replace it this summer I can put enough hours on it to show it has no issues after the major service. Still thinking a replacement motor might be my best shot at having him actually use his boat not let it just sit. Then I can take the motor for myself and my project boat I am on the hunt for.

If I were to go ahead with actually replacing the motor to make him happy, what all would I need parts wise and labour wise?
 

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How about a lightly used 50 to 60 Evinrude etec if one can be found for sale?Ive had mine since spring of 2012 and ive never regretted buying her.Also have and older StarCraft that it sits on(1975) that's rated 85hp max.Stellar fuel economy ,flawless operation,uses so little injection oil you might think somethings broken .Zero smell and emmissions numbers that embarrass 4 strokes.Mines a 60hp.
 

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If it were my dad I'd just tell him to "nut up buttercup" or "put your big boy pants on"!

Seriously though...
Would he feel ok with just refreshing that motor? Some new electronics, hoses, etc...
Not sure how "new" the motor would need to be to make him feel comfortable...?
Maybe you could buy it back from him?
 

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Dads are one of our most important commodities. If Dad wants to upgrade, help him out the best you can.

Just buy him a brand spanking new 4-stroke. You don't have to buy it for him. Just go in halfers with him. Just be sure the weight and HP match the boat. He'll end up having a wonderful time with it. Just be sure to go along some times.

Your Dad won't be forever, so make the best of the time you have now.

My Dad always wanted a Smith & Wesson, so I bought him one for his birthday. He only got to shoot it once, but it was one of the happiest days ever.
 

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If that's what your father wants then please him. You can always prop right a much less HP motor from current one to run middle to max of its wot rpm range. Max motor HP its for Max passenger rated for, if with much less souls on board don't need to go max HP rated for.

Happy Boating
 

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Sounds like a candidate for a lovely late model yamaha 2 stroke 60hp thrown on the back. If you’re lucky, you’ll get a lovely one from the early 2000’s. She’ll last for half a century or more...going by how long the early ones are showing us to date. Still loads of similar Yamaha 2 strokes still about from the 70’s.
 

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Sounds like a candidate for a lovely late model yamaha 2 stroke 60hp thrown on the back. If you’re lucky, you’ll get a lovely one from the early 2000’s. She’ll last for half a century or more...going by how long the early ones are showing us to date. Still loads of similar Yamaha 2 strokes still about from the 70’s.
Yep was thinking same, a 2 stroke Yam 60 HP well propped will please his father well...

Happy Boating
 

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If it were my dad I'd just tell him to "nut up buttercup" or "put your big boy pants on"!

Seriously though...
Would he feel ok with just refreshing that motor? Some new electronics, hoses, etc...
Not sure how "new" the motor would need to be to make him feel comfortable...?
Maybe you could buy it back from him?
I'd love to buy it back from him though he won't let me even offering to pay 2x what he paid me for it.

As for what all he would want to be done, he likes the boat just has the idea that an older engine is not reliable enough and should upgrade it.
 

SkaterRace

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Dads are one of our most important commodities. If Dad wants to upgrade, help him out the best you can.

Just buy him a brand spanking new 4-stroke. You don't have to buy it for him. Just go in halfers with him. Just be sure the weight and HP match the boat. He'll end up having a wonderful time with it. Just be sure to go along some times.

Your Dad won't be forever, so make the best of the time you have now.

My Dad always wanted a Smith & Wesson, so I bought him one for his birthday. He only got to shoot it once, but it was one of the happiest days ever.
I'd love to buy him the engine he wants though likely not something we will go for, mainly because of the fact that he doesn't want to learn to take proper care of the engine.
 

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I'd love to buy him the engine he wants though likely not something we will go for, mainly because of the fact that he doesn't want to learn to take proper care of the engine.
After 56 or so years of taking care of outboard motors, I'm amazed on how little time and effort is required for the new 4-strokes. Sounds like you need to let Dad have his engine and YOU do the maintenance.

If you and him get together and it turns out to be only 1 time on the water, it will have been the ride of a lifetime. If you don't do it and then never get the chance, it will bother you for years to come.

I apologize profusely for being so sentimental. My mentor and best friend was my Grandpa. He helped me build my first boat and he got the first ride every time I bought a new motor, or added a speedometer or depth finder. This month he would have been 125 years old. Long time since the last boatride.
 
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