Vehicle financing interest rates?

Tail_Gunner

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JasonJ said:
I am of the opinion that there can't be too much worse than buying a new car. 2-3 year old vehicles are the way to go. You get more for the buck, as you are not taking the depreciation hit as bad.

You are right Treedancer, they are sneaky kaniggits. I went with my sister last week to help her buy an 04 PT Cruiser. My personal favorite was the extra $1300 for a warranty on a vehicle that still had its original warranty. My other favorite was the time honored tradition of Gap Insurance. A bigger scam you never have seen. They try to play you like a fiddle, saying you need this until you get the vehicle on your insurance, and that it pays the difference between your insurance and the payoff in the event of a collisoin that totals the vehicle. its crap, and unnecessary. Needless to say, they removed the near $2000 from the amount financed after my vocal resistance....

jason i will say this, just as there a idiot's on this board restoring boat's, and there reasoning for preforming a mod in a certain way which is absolutey insane but is the right way so are there people in the car business who are talking out of there @ss, so is the business of car's and the idiot's who get into a position of explaining the why's and where for's of product's and tree dancer is absolutley not quaified to even dribble on this subject.
 

gonefishie

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I agreed 2-3 yrs old vehicle is the way to go too. With all the cash back and zero interest financing, new vehicle depreciates like used bubble gum. But doggone it I can't wait until 2010 to have a new truck. :|:'(
 

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i like buying a new basic model like the 03 Silverado work truck i got out the door for less than 15000 with the give backs


I will drive it for about 8 years depending on how rusty it gets (salt air ) which is a pretty low cost IMHP


Tommays
 

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treedancer said:
Jason watch out for the dealers hidden charges, that is a real moneymaker for them lately. They take you to see the dealerships finance manager are they might call it by another name, but there are hidden fees, even if you have outside financing. look what you are signing ,there are getting as cunning as real estate on hiding there fees. :%

Tail_Gunner said:
...so is the business of car's and the idiot's who get into a position of explaining the why's and where for's of product's and tree dancer is absolutley not quaified to even dribble on this subject.

So you are`the only "master" qualified to dribble?

I think treedancer has it spot on. They get you back in that dumpy little room and try to stick you with every add on fee they can think of.

I've bought plenty of new cars and they try the same tricks every time. Gap insurance, high interest rate, extended warranty, this fee, that surcharge ad nauseum.

Sorry if I offend the finance managers of the world, but is their job to squeeze an extra nickel out of us.
 

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The decision to buy new or used depends on how you are going to actually use the vehicle. The first year the average vehicle looses 30% of its retail value. The second year it loses another 20%. And every year after that it looses 10%. So yes, on average, you loose the biggest portion of your value in the first 2 years.

However, to some the warranty, that peace of mind, is worth the value loss. To some the prestige and just the smell of a new vehicle is worth the value loss. And for people on the road that can't afford down time, and put a lot of miles on a car, it is just part of the cost of doing business. So to each, there can be a valid reason for deciding to purchase new or used. I feel the biggest reason is, what can you afford and are comfortable with.

I grew up in the Dealership business. There are those in the industry, and the industry promotes it, that inflate the interest rate, add the insurances, etc. Anything to add to the cost of the vehicle. We were "known" as the high priced dealer in our area. But when a customer would let me explain the difference in our price to the one from the dealer down the road, they could see that although we were charging $200 more for the car, with the add ons (or should I say without the add ons), we were $800 less! Important thing is to compare apples to apples.

Basic information you need to know when buying a car:

Dealer invoice - is the cost the dealer must pay for the car. However, part of that cost is called "hold back" and the dealer will get 3% back either monthly, quarterly, or yearly, depending on program. If the dealer has to get the car from another dealership - he looses the 3%. That is why dealers will try to trade cars, not buy them outright.

When looking at a used car, it is not important what the selling price is - look at the bottom line price. Dealers inflate the selling price of used cars so they can give a higher trade in value for your used piece of junk that you think is worth $1500 more than it really is. Tell the dealer you want the straight sale price and if you decide to trade you understand you will only get wholesale for your vehicle. That will give you a more realistic view of what both vehicles are worth.

Be informed, but realize the dealer and salesman need to make a profit. If not, they won't be in business long. They don't ask you to work for nothing, have the same courtesy to them. However, that doesn't mean you should not get the best deal possible. I always appreciated the customers that came in and said, "You should make $600 or $500 on this sale, now let's work with cost figures and see if I can afford it.

Factory Auction Cars - many dealers will call these "Company Cars." Some are, some aren't. Some are lease vehicles that ahve come back to the company from Avis, Hertz, etc. Personally, I have had good experiences with these, both from a selling, and a buying end. You should be able to get a current model year car with under 15,000 miles on it for 30% less than new retail, or better. Let the company take the first year depreciation - not you. And you still get the remainder of the factory warranty, so if there is something wrong with the car, it will probably show up before the warranty is gone and it will be repaired at the factories expense.

In most instances (unless buying new) you can do better arranging your own financing. And when buying new, if there is an either rebate or low financing option, run the numbers before making the deal. You may be able to make smaller payments with the rebate and your own financing. However, ask the dealer for their best rate. Many times the bank will buy finance paper from them at a discounted rate than they would give an individual. This way the dealer can make 1/2% interest on the financing for sending it to the bank. However, if that becomes a deal breaker, they may be willing to give you that 1/2% or at least 1/4% better than the bank could give. It never hurts to ask - just don't demand.

Okay, enough for now. My fingers are getting tired.
 

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Snapperbait said he only buys American. I completely respect his desire to do so. I can't find it on the internet now, but I have seen it before, how much of each brands truck is built in America? I know almost my entire Nissan Titan was built here in America. If I remember right, 90-95 percent of it was built in Mississippi. Can the other three say that?
 

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Zach... I know full well that parts for US trucks are made elsewhere...Japan, Mexico, Canada, ect................ BUT.... Ford and GM are American corporations..... Profits stay here.... In America... That profit ends up trickling down back into America..... Instead of trickling down into a foreign country.....

On the topic of New vs. Used.... I'm agreed with the others... Depriciation on new vehicles is terrible... A diesel, even with say 50,60,70K miles on the odometer will literally last me forever..

Anywhoo... I looked thru the paper and trader today... I found about 2 dozen more similarly equipped f250-350 trucks.. Have'nt even looked thru the Chevy/GMC sections yet..d:)
 

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Hi Snap

NOT to knock ford BUT there is a BIG problem with many of there pickup trucks diesels fuel systems

Tommays
 

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The way a friend car salesman explained it to me there is the "front" which is the sales manager & salesman and the "back" which is the finance manager (guy you sign the papers with). The dealership wants to make a certain amount. They can make it in the front or they can make it in the back. If your negotiations with the salesman and sales manager seem way in your favor, they will try to "make it up in the back".

As for financing a new car (I think this is what aspeck is saying) compare your bank deal with the dealer financing + incentives, see which works out best and go with that.
 

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tommays said:
Hi Snap

NOT to knock ford BUT there is a BIG problem with many of there pickup trucks diesels fuel systems

Tommays

Respectully could you enlighten me? The origanl 6.0 Bosch Injection was a prolbem, but Ford recalledand replaced them and the beat goes on.

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Now as to fi product's

GAP: there are many reason's to purchase this product and it is not for everyone, but if you ever find yourself over financing a vehicle for what ever reason and have a car totaled out on you, i could think of no one who would not be delighted having purchased this product.

Extended warranty's: Have you ever seen a mainstream cardealer ship that did not have a service dept? I'm not even going to speak of the thousand's of independent's.

There are reason's for all the product's or service's a dealership's offer's and there not for everybody.....and i can tell you there is no intellignet person who wake's up in the morning that Scream's OHHHH BOOYYYY i get to go 25,000 in debt today. Now you might undersytand why sometime's the pressure is turned up a little........most all of us need a nudge........but now how that is done is another story.

In general i have learned there is no one easy answer for this business there are as many opinion's as there are seat's for A@@@@. I for one, hold true to the following statement:............. It would be eaiser to get bat's to fly in formation, than it would be to get people to agree on a good car deal.........:love:
 

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Tail Gunner......................A good deal is a state of mind!!!!
 

tommays

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i got to know about it when my friend got a 2003 diesel for his new roach coach nothing but problems

took a bath and when back to something else as it cost to much money to wait for ford to fix it

Just google (ford diesel problems) it may be solved in 2007 but it turned off a LOT of loyal Ford people around here

Tommays
 

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vipzach said:
Tail Gunner......................A good deal is a state of mind!!!!

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I can attest to a few things.....

Boat dealers are far WORSE than car dealers in the area of finance.

Gap has it's place and some people have wrecked allot of cars.... think about it you know a few.

Extended warranties are just insurance.

Car dealers are in business to make money. They are not in business to give away everything and pay the employees. What if your boss decided to give everything away for little or no profit!

Come on people lighten up!

Try this on for size..... visit a good resturant .... even a fast food place will work. Order your meal, turn down a few items, change a few things and then negotiate on the price.... you could even negotiate the tip. Offer a McDonalds Mngr or Burger king Mngr 70 cents for the dollar menu item.

Want to save a bunch of money? Cancel your current health insurance if you are healthy. Lower all your insurances.... auto, home.
 

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Vipzach is correct - a good deal is simply a state of mind.

Other than the few necessities required to sustain life (food, water, shelter), ALL other acquisitions are frivolous.

We are on this site because we own boats. Whether you want to accept it or not, a boat is one of the absolute fastest ways to throw away money - with no hope whatsoever to ever coming even remotely close to recouping our original investment, let alone what will be spent on repairs/maint., gas, insurance, dockage, ect., ect., ect.

From a strictly financial standpoint, a $40,000 boat, which will burn $300 worth of gas over the weekend being towed to the ramp by a $45,000 pick-up is full blown money squandering....

BUT...

We derive our investment dividends through the pleasure of friends or family or fishing or whatever that boat represents to us. Untold more pleasure than watching our mutual fund, or some other "wise" investment.

So, make the best deal on your truck or boat, and to you it will be a "good deal" - which is a state of mind.
 

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Agreed on the state of mind...

I looked at a few more trucks, but nothing worth mentioning.... A couple were in pretty sad shape considering the mileage and age...

The search continues, but i'm a bit reserved now that I'm thinking about tax time... May put it off untill after the tax man cometh...
 

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Well Snapperbait, I'm gonna guess there's much better truck deals down there. Up here due to our use of road salt, vehicles are pretty well beat after 4 or 5 winters. To find something with a solid body and without rotted out break lines / fuel lines, ect., nowadays a decent used 3/4 or 1 ton 4X4 will start at about $15,000 and rapidly go up - so I envy you.

Here's to wishing you good luck in your search, and I hope your refund is even bigger than you expect !!
 
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