VHF radio purchase

nightvision

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Hi all,<br />I'm interested in purchasing a VHF radio for occasional boating trips in the SF Bay (Oakand Estuary) area. I do mainly fresh water boating so this is very new to me. Can you give me an insight into what I need to purchase. What are the recommendated minimum requiredment and fuction that I would need or want. Would a VHF radio be of value to me on a lake? Model and brand recommendation would be appreciated. Also, if you can lead me to a website that give an intro in to the use of VHF radio that would be great. I have a 18 foot bowrider. Thanks.
 

nightvision

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Also, would one recommend a handheld or mounted unit? Again, it will be for occasion trips into protected bay and not far for land.
 

bomar76

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The range is much better with a mounted unit....it's really the antenna that is the issue.<br /><br />I carry both, they really aren't that expensive anymore....a mounted unit for range and a handheld in case we have to abandon ship.<br /><br />Pointers on using a marine radio<br />www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/radio.htm
 

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Electronics topic.
 

Richard Petersen

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Any modern VHF is really a must on a boat. If you are having a real serious medical emergency, fire, collision, sinking or anthing that requires VERY FAST help to arrive as soon as possible. MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY WE ARE HAVING A ----. ALL nearby boaters, police, rescue, or USCG or fishing boats will come to help you as soon as you tell them where you are. 1 minute later they will come. CB, cell phones or any other means, the message has to be fowared several times when there are other people in distress.. Long waits are VERY REAL. Buy a VHF that has the new DSC red button on it. There is NO substitue for a VHF on a boat. --------------Do a range check at the start of each season or every 6 months with the closest US Coast Guard station where you boat. What good is a dead radio.
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Like Bomar76 said. It always amazes me when someone will go out and buy a really good radio and then mount a $1.98 antenna to use with it. And then wonder why it doesn't work very good. I'd much rather have a cheap radio with a good antenna than the other way around. My $.02
 

18rabbit

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You will be fine with handheld VHF in the estuary. You will also be boarded of your rocker in about 45-minutes. The handheld will be fine anywhere in the SF bay, perhaps a mounted unit if you are thinking of the delta but the USCG coverage there is pretty good, too. For mounted VHF I like Icom. For handheld I have a Std Horizon.<br /><br />I presume you will be setting in at the estuary from Alameda, the public launch next to the Grand Marina. If you go right (south/east) toward Oakland Airport and try to circumnavigate Alameda Island (everyone does eventually), you should be aware that end is a shallow mud flat with a top secret channel for getting thru. You need to know the nav signs and follow them closely ‘les you suck mud into your motor. Sea Tow will not/cannot get you out until the tide rises so you will be sitting there for hours…watching everyone pass by thru the secret channel.<br /><br />What makes that end of the estuary weird is that both ends of the estuary open into the SF bay. Most boats come/go from the north/west end toward the bay bridge, past the Oakland pier. Launching in the middle of the estuary where the free public launch is means the nav signs are the same either way you go, but will appear to reverse if you are circumnavigating Alameda.
 

Richard Petersen

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One more important thing. Write the nearest USCG station frequency and if on the HI or LO band, on the front face and Scotch tape over it. LEAVE the radio always on that frequency and volume pre set for the unexpected.
 

nightvision

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Hi all,<br />Thanks for the reply.<br /><br />18rabbit - thanks for the head up about the estuary. I do plan to take a trip out there sometime in the future. This will be my first time on the estuary (in the ocean for that matter), where would you recommend I I launch. I'm sitting here looking at a pretty good chart of the estuary. Can you give me some direction and location that I should go and explore. The mud flat scares me a little. I would appreciate some more info. I'll be out on a 18 footer bowrider. Is there are concern for wind and current in the estuary area? Thanks.
 

Nos4r2

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Originally posted by cyclops2:<br /> Buy a VHF that has the new DSC red button on it. There is NO substitue for a VHF on a boat. --------------Do a range check at the start of each season or every 6 months with the closest US Coast Guard station where you boat. What good is a dead radio.
Remember-a DSC VHF is as much use as a normal vhf unless you have it linked to a compatible GPS so it can send out your position. Not all GPS units are compatible-make sure you ask the manufacturer before purchase-and specify which VHF you have as some have issues with some gps units.
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by nightvision:<br /> Hi all,<br />Thanks for the reply.<br /><br />18rabbit - thanks for the head up about the estuary. I do plan to take a trip out there sometime in the future. This will be my first time on the estuary (in the ocean for that matter), where would you recommend I I launch. I'm sitting here looking at a pretty good chart of the estuary. Can you give me some direction and location that I should go and explore. The mud flat scares me a little. I would appreciate some more info. I'll be out on a 18 footer bowrider. Is there are concern for wind and current in the estuary area? Thanks.
Caution: Rabbit blathing follows. (Btw, new VHF info at the end)...<br /><br />The place to set in at is at the free public boat launch on Alameda Island. It’s next to the Grand Marina, just north/west of the Park Street drawbridge (green). You’ll probably see one or two USCG cutters moored across the estuary from the launch. Stay well away from them! That’s CG Island, an island in the middle of the estuary. You can/should go around it. It has channel markers on the backside that are clear and easy to read, makes for good practice, but obvious enough where you should be without them. Quinn’s Lighthouse (restaurant and pub upstairs) is back there, too.<br /><br />There are three drawbridges along the estuary. Use caution after the 3rd bridge, High Street drawbridge (silver) because the mud flats are shortly after that. You will see what looks like a lake, that’s the mud flat. As you approach there will be a single nav sign, a green square on a pole. It can be confusing to know where the channel is from that single marker. Technically, at that point you are headed toward the bay so you have to get all the way up to it, keeping it on your right (stbrd) and then turn to your starboard around it before you can see the Farm Island drawbridge and another (red triangle) nav marker.<br /><br />There’s more to oogle at the other way on the estuary, toward Jack London Square. The estuary gets deeper and wider in that direction. On the weekends they do regattas in the middle of it with 8-ft sailboats. They make excellent moving targets. A little further and you’ll be at the Oakland pier where the container ships and huge cranes are, then it opens into the bay. Nice thing about that end of the estuary is the chop on the water will increase the closer you get to the bay. You will know if you should go into the bay or not before you ever leave the protection of the estuary. Currents aren’t an issue for motor boats on the estuary, tides can be at the mud flat end, and wind chop at either end.<br /><br />If you get up to the Oakland pier and you are comfortable with the chop and swells, head on into the bay. The bay bridge is directly in front of you, Yerba Buena Is in the middle. Just past that is Alcatraz. Hint: the ferry contracted to carry folks to/from Alcatraz does not want you to know the pier at Alcatraz is a public pier, there’s just nowhere to moor your boat, but you can drop off and pick up passengers there. If the ferry shows up they have to wait until you toot your horn and safely leave the pier. Just past Alcatraz is Angel Is. Go around to the north/west side of it where the piers are. Cheapest parking in all of the bay area is there. $2/day at the pier, $6/day for a mooring ball. Angel Is is a great place for a family picnic but if you hang around until late afternoon the waters in the bay will be rougher but you won’t know that from looking at the water between Angel Is and Sausalito.<br /><br />This time of year you will want to keep an eye toward the Golden Gate Bridge for fog. That’s where it comes from. When you see the fog it is time to head back to the estuary. Also stay clear of (1) all ferry boats Blue & Gold and the Red & White. The cap’ts are maniacs on water. The only thing worse is (2) the “pilot” boats. Those are orange with PILOT in big black letters on the side. They are supposed to be the crème de la crème of cap’ts, but they are arrogant and presume everyone will get out of their way, nav rules aside.<br /><br />If you need to know how to get to the free public boat launch next to the Grand Marina, let me know.<br /><br />Just out from the fine folks at Powerboat Reports is their evaluation of mid-price range VHF. Uniden UM525 ($200) is their “best buy” pick, just barely beat out by the Icom M422 ($240) for performance. The new, revised Uniden VHF is giving Icom and Std Horz a run for their money in price, performance, features, and quality. Personally I wouldn't give you a dime for the previous Uniden VHF, but I would not overlook the new models.
 
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