Viginia Massacre.......

POINTER94

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A sad day for all. At least a little time should be given to mourn our lost, before we start pointing fingers and accessing blame. Children and professors trying to make a better world, cut down for no reason. God look down and grant us strength.
 

bruceb58

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The headlines are already "worst massacre in American history". I thought Clinton and Reno at Waco was the worst- 85 dead, including 21 children.

They were there too...saw them lighting the fire!

Give me a break!
 

Bassy

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My heart just aches for anyone who has been affected by this. All those young minds, such a loss. What they could have been we'll never get to see. Virginia and our whole country has been hurt in a big way.
I'm sorry to say, but I also wondered if there should be a way to protect yourself in situations like that. If I had a gun and I was in one of those seats, would that have helped? We, of course, don't know when something like this could happen, but what can an individual do to protect themselves? Its a school for goodness sake! And the size of it is a small city. Oh how do you blame? This kid was sick and 100% responsible! Oh, how will we overcome this?
Bassy
 

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One of the news programs had a young lady who was a grad student. She was a freshman at Columbine when it happened there. What luck.
 

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The murderer was extremely mentally disturbed and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do to prevent this horrible tragedy.

My heart aches for the victims families in addition to the murderer's parents and family. There are a lot of people just like him out there that are about ready to go off, I'm not sure any of us would recognize the signs or see something this horrific coming.

A tiny part of me wishes he lived to suffer the guilt of his actions for the rest of his life, but chances are he was too mentally disturbed to have such an emotion.

All we can do is pray for the families of all the victims. Monday was a very sad day for us all.
 

jinx

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"The murderer was extremely mentally disturbed and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do to prevent this horrible tragedy."

Usually, that is the case. I strongly believe that is was not in this case and this may have been preventable.

From todays Washington Post:
BLACKSBURG, Va., April 17 -- They met across the professor's desk. One on one. The chairman of the English department and the silent, brooding student who never took his sunglasses off.

He had so upset other instructors that Virginia Tech officials asked whether the professor wanted protection. Lucinda Roy declined. She thought Cho Seung Hui exuded loneliness, and she volunteered to teach him by herself, to spare her colleagues. The subject of the class was poetry.

... Cho took pictures of fellow students during class and wrote about death, she said in an interview. "Kids write about murder and suicide all the time. But there was something that made all of us pay attention closely. None of us were comfortable with that," she said.

The students once recited their poems in class. "It was like, 'What are you trying to say here?' It was more sinister," she said.

Days later, seven of Giovanni's 70 or so students showed up for a class. She asked them why the others didn't show up and was told that they were afraid of Cho.

"Once I realized my class was scared, I knew I had to do something," she said.

She approached Cho and told him that he needed to change the type of poems he was writing or drop her class. Giovanni said Cho declined to leave and said, "You can't make me."

Giovanni said she appealed to Roy, who then taught Cho one-on-one. Roy, 51, said in a telephone interview that she also urged Cho to seek counseling and told him that she would walk to the counseling center with him. He said he would think about it.

Or this from CNN:Cho's poetry was so intimidating -- and his behavior so menacing -- that Giovanni had him removed from her class in the fall of 2005, she said. Giovanni said the final straw came when two of her students quit attending her poetry sessions because of Cho.

"I was trying to find out, what am I doing wrong here?" Giovanni recalled thinking, but the students came to her during her office hours and explained, "He's taking photographs of us. We don't know what he's doing."

Giovanni went to the department's then-chairwoman, Lucinda Roy, and told her she wanted Cho out of her class, and Roy obliged.

"I was willing to resign before I was going to continue with him," Giovanni said. "There was something mean about this boy."

Giovanni said she's taught her share of oddballs in the past, but there was something malicious about Cho's behavior.

"I know we're talking about a troubled youngster and crap like that, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings; troubled youngsters drink and drive," she said. "I've taught troubled youngsters. I've taught crazy people. It was the meanness that bothered me. It was a, really, mean streak."

Giovanni's account came Wednesday as Roy and Cho's former roommates shared stories about the resident alien from South Korea now accused of exacting the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.

Authorities also confirmed that Cho was investigated last year for stalking a woman in person and by e-mail.

Roy, who taught Cho one-on-one after removing him from Giovanni's class, recalled Cho exhibiting a palpable anger and secretly taking photographs of other students while holding the camera under his desk.

Or this from the BBC:

The Virginia Tech gunman was taken to a mental health facility in 2005 after university authorities received complaints against him by two female students and his parents became afraid he was suicidal, it has been revealed.

...A lecturer was so frightened by Cho's violent fantasies that she made up a secret codeword so that she could alert security without him knowing.

The alarm she felt on reading plays written by the Virginia Tech gunman was enough for her to contact police and university authorities.

British-born professor Lucinda Roy has revealed that if she had sensed he was about to erupt she was going to mention the name of a dead professor to her assistant - who had been told to call the police.


Now for my own editorial:

What really gets in my craw here is that this guy did not belong at Virginia Tech. His work as an English major at the Senior level is not even at the college level. Good kids with good grades are turned away in droves from Tech. In the name of diversity he slides, and backs are turned when it becomes apparent that he is a serious risk.

My neighbors boy, a freshman, was in the building where the shootings took place, so I'll admit that I am a little more than just curious here. I know, through my own son, several of the kids that go there so it gets me that these signs were so ignored putting them at risk.

Virginia Tech owes the country and the state an explaination of there procedures in dealing with students identified as violent by their own staff.

Jinx
 
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jinx

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Individual Heroism from a professor at Virginia Tech:

from The Jerusalem Post:

"As Jews worldwide honored on Monday the memory of those who were murdered in the Holocaust, a 76-year-old survivor sacrificed his life to save his students in Monday's shooting at Virginia Tech College that left 33 dead and over two dozen wounded.

Professor Liviu Librescu, 76, threw himself in front of the shooter when the man attempted to enter his classroom. The Israeli mechanics and engineering lecturer was shot to death, "but all the students lived - because of him," Virginia Tech student Asael Arad - also an Israeli - told Army Radio.

Several of Librescu's other students sent e-mails to his wife, Marlena, telling of how he had blocked the gunman's way and saved their lives, said Librescu's son, Joe.

"My father blocked the doorway with his body and asked the students to flee," Joe Librescu said in a telephone interview from his home outside of Tel Aviv. "Students started opening windows and jumping out."

Librescu was respected in his field, his son said.

"His work was his life, in a sense," said Joe. "That was a good place for him to practice his research."

The couple immigrated to Israel from Romania in 1978. They then moved to Virginia in 1986 for his sabbatical and had stayed since then, Joe told Army Radio.

"

Just thought the story needed some heroic balance. There was a man.

Jinx
 

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Now we know why he survived. GOD still had a job for him to do. God Bless him.

As for the murderer, after watching the video all I can say is that it must be very hard for family members to look at this stuff and think that they lost their son/daughter to this self centered raving mad man who on the surface appears to have decided to hate and kill because he felt sorry for himself.
 

jinx

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Somewhat less heroic was NBC's decision to broadcast that corner of the human zoo that should be only be seen by professionals in law enforcement. I see no purpose, other than ratings, in providing a template for the disturbed in our society.

Jinx
 

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Somewhat less heroic was NBC's decision to broadcast that corner of the human zoo that should be only be seen by professionals in law enforcement. I see no purpose, other than ratings, in providing a template for the disturbed in our society.

Jinx

In the words of Don Henley...

We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde who
Comes on at five
She can tell you bout the plane crash with a gleam
In her eye
Its interesting when people die-
Give us dirty laundry
 

LubeDude

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From Ted Nugent
RE Virgina Tech Shooting

It`s truely too bad for this country if you don`t beleive every word.


Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.

Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.

A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.

She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.

No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.

Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.

Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in illegal possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun law. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.
 

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Somewhat less heroic was NBC's decision to broadcast that corner of the human zoo that should be only be seen by professionals in law enforcement. I see no purpose, other than ratings, in providing a template for the disturbed in our society.

Jinx

I completely disagree with this. This is news. Perhaps there are some out there when they deal with the next psycho out there will be just a little more insistent that this long history of clearly bizarre behavior be dealt with in a more forceful manner. Had that happened in this case, perhaps it could have been prevented
 

mikeandronda

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PW supporting the media? Who da thunk? Oh And Ted..... Rock on dude!!!!
 

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Well, I for one am sick to puking of tear jerker television.

It is tragic that those people were murdered and I hurt for the bereaved, but this ghoulish media orgy is disgraceful.

How many children were murdered by drunk drivers that day? How many young people died in auto crashes? How many babies starved to death in Darfur? How many innocent Iraqi citizens were murdered by hate?

Survivors and loved ones of every one of them are just as hurt and disoriented by those deaths as are the friends and families of the victims in Blacksburg.

Let them be, NBC, et al. You are only deepening and extending their grief.

I can't find a. . . .um. . . frowny that expresses my disgust adequately.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Well, I for one am sick to puking of tear jerker television.

I can't find a. . . .um. . . frowny that expresses my disgust adequately.
Here ya go.
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