Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

rkilpa

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The history: I own a boat with a raw water cooled Volvo 4.3GL PLKD with an SX outdrive that I bought new in 1997. The boat is used 100% in fresh water and used only 2-3 times a year for maybe an hour or two per use. I live in Southern California, so when it's not being used, the boat is garaged and is never exposed to extreme temperatures. For the first couple of years when everything was new and exciting, I had the boat professionally serviced when I knew it wouldn't be used through the winter. I then felt I could save money by doing the oil changes and winterizing myself. So for many years I would follow the directions in the owners manual for end of season storage. As time went on I began questioning why I even needed to winterize a boat that will never be exposed to freezing temperatures or even change the fluids every year if it is only being run maybe 4-6 hours a year. I know I will hear some harsh words from the experts, but for the last several years, the boat has gotten an oil change every third year or so. Now before you start the bashing, I did check the fluids before each use and they would always be full, very clean and viscous. I would say that it always looked as fresh as brand new oil.

The problem: Late last year I noticed the temperature gauge at about 2/3 (about 200) when running on plane. When I brought it back to idle, the temperature would come back down to under 175. The two times I was out this year it did the same thing. It had been about 5 years since the raw water impeller was replaced, so I just replaced it along with a complete service: new oil & filter, outdrive oil & lube, fuel filter, plugs, cap, rotor and for good measure; a new circulating pump. When I removed the old impeller, it was in pretty good shape considering, with all but a very small amount of material attached. I just had the chance to get the boat on the water again and it ran silky smooth....right up to 2/3 on the temp gauge again when on plane.

The hypothesis: I'm pretty sure the small amount of material that wasn't attached to the removed impeller is still in the cooling system and causing a restriction

The forum search results with a lot of unanswered questions: 1) I know I need to remove the thermostat housing and clean the passages. I've ordered a new thermostat, o-ring and gasket (I needed the new gasket to check the housing so I thought I might as well replace the 12 year old thermostat while I'm in there even if it's good) What is the most efficient way to flush the engine block and manifolds when the housing is removed? Where do I backflush from? What hoses should be undone and left on? How much or little water pressure should be used? Should I use compressed air at all? 2) I've read that the power steering cooler is where things collect as well, but according to the cooling diagram for my engine (thanks for the engine manual pdf files), the cooler comes before the raw water pump. Would I expect to find anything in there? 3) When backflushing from the raw waterpump to the intakes, should I remove the power steering cooler and backflush from there instead, or as well? Should I remove the water passage plate in the outdrive when backflushing or will any debris exit the intakes easily? (I don't have a new gasket for this seal) 4) I've read that running hot on plane and not at idle could be the result of air intrusion in the water intake, so I know I would need to do the clear hose check to determine if that's the cause (thanks for the overheat diagnosis pdf file). Is it possible that a keel guard installed a couple of years ago might be causing uneven waterflow at the intakes? I wouldn't think so, but I think it might coincide with the timing of the temperature problem. 5) Knowing that the cooling system hasn't been completely drained in about 5 years, is it possible that keeping fresh water in the system without circulation for months at a time is causing "clogging of the arteries"? Wouldn't the passages be less likely to rust or corrode if there was no air in the system?

The appreciation: Thank you for reading this long post and thank you in advance for your expert answers.
 

captmello

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

When I removed the old impeller, it was in pretty good shape considering, with all but a very small amount of material attached.

I don't quite understand what your saying here, Was the impeller missing the rounded tips on its fins?
 

rkilpa

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

I don't quite understand what your saying here, Was the impeller missing the rounded tips on its fins?

The impeller was worn, but it was completely intact except for a couple of fins missing just the very corners of the rounded tips. I found a smaller than 1/8" piece lodged in the vanes of the impeller housing that was difficult to remove, so I am assuming similar pieces are lodged upstream because I haven't accounted for material equal to about twice as much as I found.
 

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

Those very small pieces off the tips of a couple of vanes will not plug things up and cause an overheat. Your statement that the old impeller was in "pretty good shape considering" was way off. If anything is missing, the impeller was way beyond use. Curled vanes that won't straighten out are not bad for a 10 year old impeller. They should be changed every other year to be safe.
Did you even look at the diagnosis information I posted?
 

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane


I read this prior to posting, but it only details flushing from the waterpump back. I was questioning which other openings I should force water into and which openings the water should exit from when flushing the engine and manifolds when the thermostat housing is removed.

Also, after I remove the hose from the water pump to the power steering cooler to clear that hose it states to reconnect the power steering cooler and then flush the drive from the waterpump intake hose back. If there are possibly pieces lodged inside the cooler, I don't see how this could flush them out? What's inside the cooler and what's the correct procedure to get in there and clean it out? I would think that when the waterpump hose is disconnected from the cooler that flushing forward from the intake would push anything in the cooler out the end that is open. Does this make sense?

I guess I can just disconnect every hose and flush both ways, right? What can it hurt?
 

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

Backflushing is the key. From the pump back through the outdrive.

FWIW, some volvo's can develop air leaks in the intake system that are only out of the water at plane and can cause the engine to overheat when on plane. once you come off plane, the air leaks are submerged and the engine gets better flow. You can run clear hose tests (must be on the water) to watch for air bubbles getting in and/or also pressure test using the garden water. The link tells about these tests.

Knowing that the cooling system hasn't been completely drained in about 5 years

You may also want to pull the plugs on the manifolds and block. Rod out the drain holes with a small screwdriver. I bet you've got a lot of sediment built up in those as well.


Let us know how it goes.:)
 

rkilpa

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

Is it Ok to flush the mounted manifolds through the water hose intake when the motor is not running? Where exactly do the exhaust gasses mix with the expelled water? Would excess water get into the cylinders if I did this since there would be no exhaust to push it out to the back of the boat?
 

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

The water and exhaust come together in the riser after the riser turns downward, however, I would allow the water to flow out the manifold drain plug hole. I guess you could run the engine following the flushing just to be sure.

Always run with the muffs on the boat.;)
 

rkilpa

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

You may also want to pull the plugs on the manifolds and block. Rod out the drain holes with a small screwdriver.

I know where the drains on the block are because I've used them before. Where are the plugs on the manifolds? I've pulled up the exhaust diagram for the 4.3GL PLKD and the parts list shows #9 is a plug, but the diagram doesn't show a #9 item.
 

rkilpa

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

FOLLOW UP POST:

Those very small pieces off the tips of a couple of vanes will not plug things up and cause an overheat.

You were right. The very small pieces that were missing from the removed impeller were too small to plug the system by themselves.

The thermostat housing was clogged with numerous large impeller pieces from an impeller destruction from 7 years ago. The mechanic assured me back then that he would flush the system to get all the pieces out, but he evidently didn't do his job.

I don't know how the engine was getting any water at all from the amount of blockage that I removed from the thermostat housing passages. The 7 year old restriction was still allowing just enough water to cool the motor to around 175 degrees on plane. The recently removed impeller was missing very little material, but evidently just enough to fill the gaps causing the temperature to reach 200 degrees on plane.

Solution: I removed all hoses and back flushed from the raw water pump back to the power steering cooler (no obstructions). I reconnected the power steering cooler and back flushed to the outdrive intakes (no obstructions). I completely removed and flushed each cooling hose thoroughly (cleaned out some rust coating). I flushed the manifolds and engine block until the water ran clear (no debris). I removed the thermostat housing and cleared many impeller pieces from the intake, bypass and manifold passages (so clogged I couldn't see light through the manifold passages and didn't realize until after I finished clearing them that the two passages aren't separate at all, but one single passage instead) I replaced the 12 year old thermostat and O-ring with a $25 kit. I reinstalled the housing with the new gasket and reconnected all the hoses.

Conclusion: I was able to do a 2 hour test run and everything is perfect! I never went over 160 degrees and the faster I went the cooler she ran.

As they say, if you want a job done right, you need to do it yourself! I felt upset at first that the mechanic I hired seven years ago shortcut his repair, but I then felt a sense of accomplishment of a job done right that I was able to do myself with the help of this forum.

For the cost of a thermostat kit, this case is closed.
 

captmello

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Re: Volvo 4.3GL Running hot on plane

Glad to hear you got it fixed. And a sense of accomplishment as well.:)

Do us all a favor an change your impeller every couple years. Don't wait for it to start overheating.

Good Luck.:cool:
 
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