vortec headed 383

Tail_Gunner

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Re: vortec headed 383

I'm familiar with both those marine cams. They're good and work well at low rpms. Hard pull all the way up to 5000. Of course it's helpful if the rest of the engine is built to actually use them. Sticking these in a stock engine ain't gonna help all you guys reading this stuff thinking "Hey that weird dude Walt likes that cam by golly I'm gonna order one and I'm gonna get my dang boat to actually get on plane with my 290 lb ol' lady sittin in the back by golly I won't need to counterweight her with 3 full beer coolers and the 4 kids"

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Seems to be working there...


But take a look at the whole build...

First i would do a forged rotating assy....that engine will have big torque
High lift somewhat strong cam
Beehive sprng's and keeper's apr studs..damm nice top end stuff there...capable of very high rev's whcih wont be used
Drop the tbi add the carb....Holley for the tweaker's..:lol:..750cfm
Eldobrok air gap


What is changing today is the abiltiy to build a very nice well balanced engine at the drop or a click of the mouse...parts that can be had cheap and tech that was not avabile when Moore wrote his book and new one would be fascinating. In the end a custom built engine of that depth...what 10,000 Walt..and one just bolts it together..:facepalm:

As to the tbi your at a power threshhold here very close if not beyond the tbi's abilty to build power...

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/tbi/254402-taking-your-tbi-setup.html

Third gen is where one goes to understand tbi and its limit's..Iam reasonalby sure that Gm intake will need it bore's drilled out to 2 inches to acoomdiate a 454 tbi...a 5.7 tbi will not produce enough cfm ofr such a build.
 
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crussell85

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the tbi is staying. I'm not interested in a carb at all. I don't see the need for a forged rotating assembly either. If I was building a high compression race motor turning 8,000 rpms then I'd look into forged but for this build the scat rotating assembly that I referenced in my first post will fit the bill.

2032 Hydraulic Roller Camshaft for Chevrolet 1987-1992 V-8, 305-350 I know this cam isn't going to make a high torque high hp engine but I think it will do fairly well. And it will keep the ecm happy. Please correct me if you think I am wrong though
 

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I would still pic a cam that moves the torque down a bit to the 1000-5000 RPM range.
 

Walt T

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I agree, I wouldn't use that cam. Off the top of my head I don't have the specs but I can find them from some of the Vortec motors I've built. Crussel is right in that saying he doesn't need forged. I rarely use forged unless the customer wants it. I always give that option. Bill Bayliner talks about quench and squish which means the type of piston used with those Vortecs is very very important in order to take full advantage of the Vortec head design. Building a 'correct' motor though can mean you need to carry 104+ on your boat once you dial in the ignition timing and fuel supply via carburetor or TBI or MPI. I have never ever heard anyone complain about that. I suppose having that power available the throttle cancels out any worry about feeding the thing. I know I don't care. At any rate give me a few hours, I will find the cam specs I used. Doesn't mean you should use them but its a start. Cams are a science unto themselves.
 

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Competition Cams # 08-408-8 (Extreme Energy XR258HR Grind)
.480" intake lift
.487" exhaust lift
Duration 206 intake and 212 exhaust @ .050
110 Deg Lob Sep. Angle
Basic RPM Range is 1000-5000rpm

Cam is ground specially for clearance between the cam lobes and the rod caps.
 

crussell85

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I think the lobe separation is to tight on that. I think I need to stay around 112
 

Walt T

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Have the Vortec heads modified and you can also get much more lift
 

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Walt, nice cam specs. are you running 1.52:1's or 1.6:1's?
 

crussell85

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the vortec heads are currently unmodified due to not having a camshaft yet. After a camshaft is selected then i'll modify the vortec heads if needed to fit the proper spring and lift requirements.
 

Walt T

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I run 1.5s. Keep in mind if you change separation you move the bottom end torque. Widen the separation and torque tends to move up in the rpm band. It will perform better at higher rpms also. This is why I use the 110. Boats really don't do well when you move that up. I've had very good results although I have not tried 112. I will be interested to know how you like it.
You're knowledgeable enough to know how to use 1.6 rockers, I prefer the 1.5s. Mine has 1.5s and I've built 3 with 1.6. Its a different cam for those, different head work, different pistons from what I remember. Just like Hot Rods it all has to work together.

I like Hot Rod forums too, I used to get the magazine but got tired of $50,000.00 + cars with $20,000.00+ motors. I loved Hot Boats which had letters from the average guys asking good questions. A few expensive boats but lots of average guys speedy boats. I was sorry to see them go. Trailer Boats was great too. Hot Rod forums has a wealth of good information, but it takes a knowledgeable person to apply it to marine use.
 

crussell85

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The forum were referring to is not from the "hot rod"magazine. It's hotrodders.com probably one of the best forums on the net for automotive. Some good knowledge about marine also
 

Scott Danforth

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FWIW, this is the cam that I will be using when I swap out my longblock for a stroker

08-417-8 - Xtreme Marine

now..... to build a stroker longblock and convince the wife it needs to be done....
 

crussell85

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Cam will need to be custom ground with a small base circle due to the stroke.Lift is .447/.471 with 1.5 rockers dur.@.050 is 213/219 with 114 LSA and 4 deg.advance.May need a chip in the ECU.Call me if you need to place the order-cam is $304.08.Hope this helps.

Just got a reply from lunati for a cam recommendation. Watcha think?
 

Walt T

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Just a post from my experience with rockers, The stock stamped steel 1.5 rockers are not always a good choice. I've gone through 200 rockers and ended up with maybe a couple of sets actually close to 1.5. I would suggest buying new aftermarket rockers and pushrods even if you stay with 1.5. Stock pushrods can also vary in length. All this adds up in the valve movement.
 

crussell85

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Yea I plan on finding a set of narrow body rocker arms. Just need to get my cam figured out. I might (probably will) install screw in studs and guideplates. Not sure yet though. So I don't want to buy self aligning then need non self aligning.
 

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Cam will need to be custom ground with a small base circle due to the stroke.Lift is .447/.471 with 1.5 rockers dur.@.050 is 213/219 with 114 LSA and 4 deg.advance.May need a chip in the ECU.Call me if you need to place the order-cam is $304.08.Hope this helps.

Just got a reply from lunati for a cam recommendation. Watcha think?

Whose rotating assembly are you going to use? For my jet boat 383 I used a Scat crank with I beam rods and a Comp XR282HR hydraulic roller, only had 2 lobes where clearance was an issue and the cam you are looking at is a lot smaller. I just ground the rods at the shoulder (did all of them but only needed to do 2). I've heard the H-beams would have had more clearance. Are you going to use the stock lifters and retainers? How will the small base work with those, or will you have to go aftermarket with the bar-link setup?
 

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That's a nice cam for a jet boat. Dry exhaust? No way in hell would I self grind a cam. You got brass ones.
 
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